Posts by TonusOH

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What would you change?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

i’m agnostic so maybe the universe started by chance or by design.. if it was by design (hypothetically) and the bible is the designers word, and jws seem to be the closest to it, then what would be the largest things you would change?.

here are a few ideas.

-do away with the governing body thinking they are gods only channel.

TonusOH

ExB: Tonus which other organisations have love amongst themselves as Jesus said would be his true disciples?

I don't know. That is an interesting claim to try to measure. But this is a first step- does this give you confidence to consider them to have it right? You mention the changes in doctrine over the past 140 years. How does it affect your confidence in them?

JWs are not alone in ascribing changes to new insight provided by god, so they're not unique in making doctrinal changes over time. And if the changes they make do not align with that of other Christian denominations, perhaps it means they have it right. It still leads me to wonder if we should feel comfortable with a god who claims he is not a god of confusion, yet allows such confusion and misunderstanding to affect those who seek to serve him faithfully.

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What would you change?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

i’m agnostic so maybe the universe started by chance or by design.. if it was by design (hypothetically) and the bible is the designers word, and jws seem to be the closest to it, then what would be the largest things you would change?.

here are a few ideas.

-do away with the governing body thinking they are gods only channel.

TonusOH

ExB: If it was by design (hypothetically) and the Bible is the designers word, and JWs seem to be the closest to it,

Seem? So, no one would know for sure, but we could be confident that JWs had the best take? We would need to determine how it is that we can consider them the closest to that true understanding.

If it was by design, and the designer wanted something specific for/from us, I would expect that designer to make it obvious. By showing up and explaining it all, and perhaps by writing the holy book himself, thus providing us with a clear guide that isn't subject to constant interpretation and reinterpretation for centuries on end without any hope of a resolution.

If the JWs were the closest to the truth of the designer, then I would hesitate to change anything unless I understood what it was that made them more accurate than anyone else. Otherwise, we might be moving away from god, not towards him.

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Do You Think Trump Is Done?

by minimus in

jw
friends

certain forces appear to be trying to make sure donald trump never runs for president again.

some republicans are clearly abandoning trump and of course the democratic press has been saying trump is done!

is trump’s goose cooked?

TonusOH

It is literally a bridge too far.

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What does this even mean?

by Blotty in

"the son is born of the father by generation, but generation should not be understood in the everyday sense.

the son is derived from the father through pure spiritual generation, through the unlimited sharing of his essence.

so, the birth of the son is an intellectual activity of god.".

TonusOH

It is almost as if the writer is saying that Jesus is an imaginary creation of God's. Or perhaps that God "thought" Jesus into being, though that doesn't square with the description of God giving up some of "His essence." It seems a bit contradictory, if we try to make sense of it.

Is it a defense of the belief in the trinity, with the idea being that Jesus is 'generated' as another facet of God, as opposed to being created as an individual being?

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New Blog - Divorce has been filed from JW husband!

by madisoncembre in

the divorce from the jw husband has been filed (finally!).

here are my musings on the subject in short form:.

still feel a bit sad about the entire thing.

TonusOH

madisoncembre: My estranged husband has told my daughter he will likely re-marry.

Do they allow that? I was under the impression that remarriage is only okay if adultery has been proven.

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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

TonusOH

Put a guy at the head of an organization that is convinced that he is being guided by god through the holy spirit, and he can't help but get an oversized ego from it. Ray Franz's book made it seem like Knorr and Fred Franz were quite unhappy with the committee approach that the organization adopted in the 70s. Now they had to share that power. Getting promoted to president of the organization must have felt a bit hollow to Franz after that.

I was too young to remember anyone saying much about Knorr, but I can recall people speaking of Fred Franz in reverent tones.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

You know your case is screwed when even the United Parcel Service is telling you to drop it.

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Jws getting drunk

by Farmer Jim1 in

jw
friends

has anyone got any good 'jws and alcohol' stories?

i always found it amazing that so many jws got blind drunk at parties and got away with it!

i suppose alcohol was the only fun thing we were allowed to partake in....

TonusOH

Ron W: A few days later his wife rang and tried to berate me for taking him out and getting him drunk.

So, looks like he tried to cover for being drunk by claiming it was your fault. Sounds like a grade A scumbag.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Judges the WTS for its immorality, doesn't like people pointing out his immoral behavior.

Uses Twitter to post negative opinions about others, doesn't like when others post negative opinions about him.

The world just refuses to cooperate with him, doesn't it?

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Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

by NotFormer in

i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

colour me gobsmacked!

TonusOH

Does it need to be a 'secret' book? If the instruction comes from the Bible, they shouldn't worry that the rank and file might read it.