Posts by TonusOH

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Governing Body's failed doctrines blamed on Jehovah's gradual revealment

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh9w8zmgli0.

( starts at the 21:00 minute mark ) governing body member jeffrey winder reveals the real reason for the failed doctrines throughout the watchtower's 150 year history.

he claims that the governing body are neither inspired or infallible.. the governing body do not need to apologize for getting doctrines wrong.. the governing body ''do their best with what they have and what they understand at the time.''.

TonusOH

'Progressive understanding' has always been something they promote. God reveals things in due time and helps the GB to figure it out. When they are announcing these changes, they promote the idea that Jehovah has blessed them with this knowledge.

But, now and again, they also explain that they are just human and can get things wrong. Which raises all kinds of questions. Is Jehovah this bad at getting his message across to his F&DS? Can we trust anything they say, when they admit that they can get it wrong at any time? How can they justify DFing people for apostasy if those people are the ones who got something right? And so on.

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UN scandal

by inbetween in

lately i did a lot of reading regarding the un scandal, the org being a ngo for 10 years.

i tried to read both sides, the comments on jwfacts.com, as well as the defense at jehovahsjudgment.co.uk.. and then the endless discussion on topix.com between thirdwitness and alanf and others.. while i am sure, the way the org handled the whole situation, especially after the article in the guardian, was plain wrong, instead of openly confessing a mistake, it was done secretely and only after inquiry, and made it look like a cover-up.. .

however, considering the whole issue, i think it comes down to one question:.

TonusOH

JW Facts did a pretty good breakdown of what NGO status meant.

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

Among other things:

As the letter outlines, Watchtower was an associated NGO, and to become associated required Watchtower accept the following:
that the NGO share the ideals of the UN Charter;
have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach target or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;
have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programs about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins and pamphlets, organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting cooperation of the media.

The opening paragraph of the 1991 application form, which the Watchtower was required to submit, contains an instruction to provide information yearly to the United Nations. It states:
"provide us with proof of your organizations non-profit status and with an annual report on its activities related to United Nations."

He also shows how their coverage of the UN changed during the time that the WTS was an NGO.

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JW Chrisians in name only-what do you think

by enoughisenough in

jw claim they are the true religion and they mention the love they have among themselves as proof.

i have been watching a youtube creator who had some thoughts on the subject, bringing out jw were not really christian, based upon their actions.

he made a pretty good case.

TonusOH

My understanding is that a Christian is one who puts his faith in Jesus's sacrifice. While JWs de-emphasize Jesus to some degree, they do believe that humanity can only be saved through this sacrifice. I think many Christians take exception to the way they move Jesus aside and focus their worship on Jehovah. For many Christians, Jesus is god, and the way JWs worship strikes them as sacreligious.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

T5: do I have your permission to post it

Yep, go right ahead.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

I don't see why they would delete comments. The interview is a "conversation on his life journey." If you want it to be comprehensive, you'll need to ask about the past two years and the events and behavior that led to his big internet moment. What is he going to discuss otherwise? His newfound career as a singer/comedian?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

That's the best course of action, just point them to the information about him. I wouldn't go further than that, at least not to the channel host. Because here is the thing: Evans cannot really do much with this kind of exposure anymore. What happens if the interview goes well and people want to learn more about him? Ohhhhh. Whenever he rises to any level of prominence from now on, his past will be there, waiting to derail his hype train.

And also, the more people who want to learn about him, the more who find out who he really is, and the more time he will need to spend scrubbing his social media. In other words, the more attention he gets, the more negative attention he gets. And at some point, there won't be enough time to reply to it all or delete it all. This is your future, buddy. You earned it.

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Jehovah and Pleiades

by James Brown in

does anyone remember seeing old watchtowers in their kingdom hall library before they destroyed them all, of the watchtower annoucing jehovah from pleiades kingdom.

i am 72 years old and i remeber seeing these old magazines somewhere..

TonusOH

"For this reason the suggestion has been made that the Pleiades may represent the residence of Jehovah..."

Hmmm. I wonder who made the suggestion? It sounds like Russell wanted to lend some weight to his crackpot theories, hence the use of the passive voice to infer that others have made this suggestion. I don't blame him; the leap he makes from the discoveries of his day to determining that the Pleiades is Jehovah's home is one that the most capable athlete would back away from.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

Ron.W.: Can Lloyd do anything about that now, or is it too late?

It was always too late. He deleted the account himself. He wasn't tricked into it or anything like that. He could have simply stopped using it, and then it would be his as long as he wanted. He didn't realize that deleting it made the user name available again, to whoever decided to take it.

He tweeted that they wouldn't remove an offensive tweet and he was leaving. If he has returned with a new user name, I have to wonder if it's because they removed that offensive tweet or because his penis decided it wanted to post on Twitter, and since he has no mastery over it...

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

The problem with him trying to build (or rebuild) his brand is that he used to rely on others to do a lot of the thankless work in the background, for free. Instead of paying for the additional labor, he profited from it. Who wants to work for him now? Who would work for him even if he offered to pay?

He doesn't want to run a business or manage a website. He wants to post videos, police the comment section of those videos, and get into petty dust-ups on social media, while someone else takes care of the boring stuff. Those people are gone.

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A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem

by r51785 in

throughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.

the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.

this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.

TonusOH

Welcome back, scholar. If I'd known you were going to return, I would have stocked up on popcorn!