Posts by TonusOH

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Babylon The Great

by EisMe in

babylon the great: a prophetic warning.

babylon the great is not just a city—it is the system that governs the world economy.

this was god's first judgment against economic babylon, but it would not be his last.. the three parts of babylon's economy.

TonusOH

Hey, if America was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for us!

...anyway: people have been making these sorts of predictions for centuries. There are endless Bible verses that can be interpreted to match the world's circumstances, and lots of visions and dreams filled with symbolism that is just begging to be applied to whatever we want.

What surprises me the most is that the people making these predictions are very much aware that others have been doing the same thing and failing every single time. But they are confident that they are the exception and that they will get it right. In some cases, like the WTS and people like Harold Camping, they keep making predictions even after they got it wrong!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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WT Library on iphone

by BoogerMan in

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just came into 21st century and got myself a new fangled mobile 'phone.. question: is it safe to download the wt library from the google playstore - without the borg tracking/tracing my data?.

thanks..

TonusOH

They shouldn't be able to. But I mean that in the sense that everyone --from Apple to individual app developers-- will insist that they respect your privacy. But they also are the ones who build the applications and interfaces and services which ALL make sure to record as much information as they can. Let's be clear: they could very easily not record and collect that data, but they do.

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Is the Governing Body hunting down PIMOs? LEAKED survey for select congregations in Canada

by liam in

it seems like the organization is hunting down pimos.

maybe the mark o donnell lawsuit is just the beginning.. this leaked survey in canada is asking some very weird questions from select publishers.

all i can say is that this will help wake up some pimi straddling the fence.

TonusOH

350 questions! That's not a survey, that's a doctoral thesis!

Let me save the WTS the time and effort:

QUESTION 1: Are you a loyal Jehovah's Witness?

QUESTION 2: Are you sure???

End survey.

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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

by slimboyfat in

i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

TonusOH

Rattigan350: Why would Franz restore holidays?

I wasn't commenting on his motivations, just pointing out that he passed up the opportunity to make the religion more mainstream, an oversight that they appear to be slowly addressing now. I certainly won't dispute the idea that he was driven by a need to maintain control by demnding obedience. That's a lesson he learned very early in his life.

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Regional convention

by sove in

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hi guys.

so this weekend the 2025 regional convention starts.

anyone who has access to the recorded versions or a streaming link?

TonusOH

I think the last convention I attended was in the mid or late 90s. It seems like a hundred years ago, not just 30. I can no longer fathom sitting there for hours listening to the talks, day after day after day. What an awful way to spend a beautiful Spring or Summer weekend!!!

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The pope's cousin is a JW

by loosie in

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sorry i can't get the file attachment to work

TonusOH

The story about a person from a different Christian faith admitting that JWs "do the work that we won't" was a common JW trope when I was growing up. The WTS liked to play up anything that they did that was different, and how it demonstrated that they 'have the truth.' They did something similar by only ever reporting stories about blood transfusions that had adverse effects, to show that their stance on blood was the right one.

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Beware of PIMO'S in the Congregation. Convention day 1 video

by liam in

the governing body is now focusing on those that are pimos in the congregation, trying to wake up pimis.

they have a video series featuring a mom, dad, and son.

the mom is fighting cancer.

TonusOH

If you want to get rid of the free thinkers and only keep the diehard supporters in the fold, you make a video series like that.

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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

by slimboyfat in

i was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.

it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.

i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.

TonusOH

I can never figure out for sure if Rutherford was a true believer (who really beleived that he was God's chosen) or if he recognized that he was running a massive racket and just having fun with it. He seemed to make doctrinal changes for the sake of differentiating the organization from other Christian groups. I think Franz took the JW religion seriously and wanted others to do so as well. He didn't clean everything up (such as restoring a lot of holidays and religious observances) but he did try to roll back some of the more egregious stuff.

He probably should have scrapped Rutherford's penchant for predicting the end, but I suppose he couldn't help himself.

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What is the Craziest Thing You Are Aware Of Someone Being Disfellowshipped For?

by Sea Breeze in

i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.

she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.

no one even remembered her.

TonusOH

Nathan Natas: Currently I'm doing Dihydrogen Monoxide

Careful with that stuff. It's used in pesticides and industrial solvents. Too much can kill you!

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The JW's are suing Mark O'Donnell in civil court for millions.So protect the pedos, and suit the whistelblowers? Shame on this cult!

by WingCommander in

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link to his announcement on www.jwchildabuse.org:.

https://www.jwchildabuse.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-editor-of-jw-child-abuse-website-for-millions/.

if anyone needed any further proof of how low and despicable this cult has become, here's more evidence.

TonusOH

As Pete said, they have to prove actual damages in order to get a judgment for any amount of money.

My guess is that they know this. The goal is to drain O'Donnell's bank account (via the costs of litigation, not necessarily a judgment), intimidate other exJWs, and track down the JWs who spoke to him. They are demanding a list of "every Jehovah’s Witness [he has] communicated with in the last five years regarding the faith of the Jehovah’s Witnesses." They want to clear out anyone who is providing information to critics. They know they have quite a lot of PIMOs who leak information, and they want to find as many of them as they can.