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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  LMsA: [...] he added an adjective "briefly" to "dating". This was done on purpose and meant to further minimise what he had done.

  That could be the next meme. How many qualifiers can we add to his statements to try to make it look less damning.

  "I very briefly considered approaching a 20-year-old sex worker about a date, and we had an engorging discussion about the local tourist spots and how stiff and erect an elephant tusk could potentially get, under the proper circumstances. The sort of banal thing that everyone does when they travel. Little did I know that Kim would use this utterly innocent non-event to destroy me and my family."
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Teddnzo: I can’t believe that he thinks it’s ok to date a sex worker.

  I hope he realizes how pathetic that statement makes him look. But he probably doesn't.

  Because no one else thinks he dated a sex worker. I love it as a meme, and if people use it to mock him, that's the bed that he made. More to the point, no one thinks that a sex worker dated him. It's another example of how bad the truth must be, that he thinks this explanation makes him look better.
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  Are adjustable rate mortgages the norm in the UK?

  by SydBarrett in

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  perhaps an odd subject for a presumably religious focused discussion board, but there are a fair number of brits here... i'm an american, but i sometimes listen to the podcast of the james o'brien radio show.

  (a brit political radio show where people call in).

  the past few months, a common topic has been people calling in discussing how hard they are getting hit financially because of a dramatic rise in interest rates on their mortgage.

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  The CEO of JPMorgan Chase recently said that he thinks interest rates will go up more than is being projected, and a base rate of 7% is possible. That would mean mortgage rates starting at 8.5%.

  On the other hand, when interest rates are high, you have an actual tool for dealing with an economic downturn- lowering interest rates. Since 2024 is an election year in the USA, expect the White House to put strong pressure on the Fed to lower rates. An angry electorate is not a friend to incumbents.
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  WHAT HAPPENED WHEN GOD TRANSFERRED JESUS LIFE TO MARY PER WTS

  by blondie in

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  pardon all caps on original post title.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/176336/blondies-comments-you-will-hear-05-31-09-wt-study-praise-forever.

  comments you will not hear at the 05-31-09 wt study (march 15, 2009, pages 24-28)(righteous forever).

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  I may be wrong (it has been many years) but I think the "All Scriptures" book explained that Joshua completed the writing of Deuteronomy after Moses' death.

  But I am pretty sure that they believe it was Moses who described himself as the most humble man on Earth.
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  1974 and all that

  by Number 6 in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznh9icm1os.

  i came across this footage recently whilst searching for something completely unrelated and it blew me away!.

  it's from the august 1974 convention at murrayfield, edinburgh and you can clearly see the stage set up still keeping the 6000 years and 1975 mantra going.. what makes this very personal for me is that i was here.

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  We always applauded the dramas. Sometimes we would applaud a particularly dramatic part of it. We also applauded the speakers when they finished their talks.

  JW crowds are the epitome of politeness.
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  Michael died twice for JW's sins.

  by moomanchu in

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  once when jehovah turned him into a sperm and once when the romans crucified him.. technically sperm is still alive when used for invitro fertilization.

  then again is sleeping in a tomb for a few hours really dead ?.

  forget it, no one died for jw's sins.

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  moomanchu: Luke traces Mary's blood line to King David. Why do this if her egg wasn't used?

  I'm not religious, so I'm not defending this as fact. But I think we tend to get unnecessarily far into the weeds with this stuff.

  The tracing of the blood line could be symbolic. I think one of the gospels traces it to Mary, and the other traces it to Joseph (who couldn't have contributed DNA to the process, if we accept the story as told). These were people who didn't understand genetics or know about DNA, so they may not have been put off if they'd known all the details. The mechanics of it shouldn't matter, so long as god gets the result he wants- a growing human skin suit that he can inhabit with one-third of himself, in order to sacrifice it to pay himself a debt on behalf of humanity.

  Which he could have done by, you know... forgiving us. Something humans do all the time without bloodshed.

  In any case, once we introduce magic into the mix, the rules of logic and nature have to be bent or broken to accommodate it. Trying to reason it out seems futile.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  You can see the problem for his supporters. One person is defending him, but the further along the discussion gets, the more difficult his position becomes. He was trying to say that it's unfair to ruin Lloyd's career with a potentially false allegation (that he committed CSA in Thailand, which is not the accusation being made). But he finds the sailing rough when he has to bring his argument down to "he cheated on his wife with a sex worker, and unless you can prove she was underage, that's all he did."

  The problem is-- most of his patrons find the "cheated on his wife with a sex worker" bad enough, not to mention that he admitted to paying for sex at least every few months for three or four years. You do not even have to get to the part where sex trafficking is rife with abuse of women and minors. The stuff that a few people try to shrug off as not a big deal is a very big deal to people who just left a fundamentalist religious organization.

  This is why the only thing that needs to be done is to keep pointing out the things he said he did. I love the videos that compare his statements at different times, showing how his story changes depending on his needs or desires. No one defames Lloyd Evans more than LLOYD EVANS does.
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  The org: Coal calling the kettle black! #2

  by BoogerMan in

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  "the generally accepted definition of propaganda is this: an organization for the propagation of a doctrine or system, the purpose of which is to cause the membership of the system or organization to increase or enlarge.

  religious organizations engage in propaganda, because each system of religion tries to increase its membership.

  the work of jehovah’s witnesses for his kingdom is entirely a different matter.

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  1935 would have been Rutherford/Knorr. They certainly were no strangers to using propaganda.
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  The org: Coal calling the kettle black!

  by BoogerMan in

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  "the greatest religious system that exists on earth, or ever did exist on earth, is the roman catholic hierarchy, controlled by a few men and under which have been brought millions of people of honest desires.

  satan has used the roman catholic hierarchy (g.b.

  ) to blind millions of people.

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  Ask them what they thought would happen to those "good, honest people" when Armageddon rolled around.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Edge or Chrome browsers should have a "show/view YouTube dislikes" extension.