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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

He was feeling sorry for himself during the livestream. He 'broke down' when he was reading the message he wrote about feeling that everything was pointless. Then he started talking about his family and the tears dried up instantly.

I do think he was already growing tired of the exJW video grind, though. He was always dumping on exJWs as a group. It has only increased in the past two years. I think he wanted to move on from Watchtower-related stuff. And I don't think it would have worked out well. He would still have a stressful home life, or he would have eventually left home and be in a similar position to where he is now- wanting to be free from the responsibilities of a husband and father, but still obligated financially to his wife and daughters.

I think it would have blown up on him at some point, though probably not as bad as it has thanks to the livestream video. And I just can't see where he would have carved out a successful niche for himself. He's just not driven enough. I think he was doomed to failure. He has had the misfortune of accelerating it by making a lot of bad decisions in a short time. But I think he would have eventually burned out and probably gone down in flames.

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Lawyers release survey on alleged Jehovah's Witness child abuse

by Tahoe in

a team of lawyers has released the results of its survey on alleged child abuse by members of the jehovah's witnesses religious group in japan.. the team held a news conference in tokyo on monday.

it provides legal support to former members of the group as well as to children of its members.. the lawyers conducted the survey, following the publishing of the health and welfare ministry guidelines last year about child abuse related to parents' religious beliefs.

a total of 560 people responded.. the survey shows 81 percent of the respondents said they had cards indicating they desired to refuse blood transfusions.. the ministry's guidelines state that parents' refusal of medical treatments for children on religious grounds amounts to neglect --- a form of abuse.. the lawyers said investigations are necessary to find how many people died from refusing blood transfusions, and how many of them were children.. the survey also shows 92 percent of the respondents experienced whipping, 96 percent were banned from school activities, and 93 percent were forced to limit their human relations.. the lawyers said many of the children experienced physical and mental abuse, which afterward led to problems such as loneliness, sense of alienation and a lack of self-esteem.

TonusOH

The group said it had consistently advised parents to teach and discipline their children in a loving manner in harmony with what the Bible teaches.

Which is to say... spare the rod and spoil the child. Which sure seems to encourage physical beatings as an approved form of discipline.

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Why Jehovah's Witnesses leave the Organisation

by Vanderhoven7 in

i like this guy's analysis .

https://youtu.be/vzkjbnjh5nu?si=ug_ahnird6ygsm41.

TonusOH

Some of the restrictions can also seem petty or unnecessary. I can remember the gossip whenever someone left or was DF, about how their lives had changed. We would comment on how a young man now had his hair down to his shoulders, or had an earring, or grew out his beard, or was smoking cigarettes, or (gasp!) had a tattoo! He was wearing a t-shirt with the logo for some music band, possibly one of those demonic heavy metal acts! He celebrated his birthday! He bought Christman presents! He said "bless you" when someone sneezed! He had a mohawk hairdo! He came out as gay!

Then you leave the organization and you realize just how suffocating it was. Did we really feel shame or sadness for that young man, or were we gossiping because we were jealous that he could do so many simple things that we were denying to ourselves? It is so insane when you finally look at it from the outside.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

Why does he still have the jwwatch.org text on his videos? The site is dead. It still leads to a blank website with "There has been a critical error on this website." as the only text.

Maybe he can add the link to his old twitter account while he's at it.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

His lack of a work ethic is almost as damaging to him as his sociopathy. Imagine sitting on a potential gold mine (his YT channel) and the only thing holding you back is your own laziness.

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C.T. Russell, Occultist

by metatron in

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one aspect of the watchtower's history that has never been.

adequately explained is russell's fascination with the occult.. the end of the 19th century saw the prominence of many occult.

were obsessed with egyptian symbols and magick based on the.

TonusOH

Wasn't that around the same time that Joseph Smith was writing his addendum to the Bible?

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Is There Going to be Money in the New System?

by NotFormer in

if not, what's in it for the gb?.

but seriously, how is it supposed to work?

pictures of jws in paradise show them raising crops, wearing clothes and building houses.

TonusOH

Money and credit are useful forms of exchange as a community grows larger. Bartering is convenient when you are living in huts or caves and have very few material goods (including food). But as living standards increase and lives become more stable and organized, bartering can take up an inordinate amount of time and can lead to scarcity (more time spent bartering, less time spent producing goods to barter with).

In a world populated by perfect people and led by a god who provides everything and keeps things in order, money would not be any problem at all. It would work perfectly and suffer none of the issues that occur in an imperfect world.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

vienne: I wonder if he still sucks his thumb.

I hope not, considering where it is stuck most of the time.

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Any other churches call themselves the 'truth'??

by Beck_Melbourne in

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old habits die hard...and quite often in my comments i will refer to the borg as the 'truth'.

does anyone know of any other churches that refer to their own particular church or religion as the 'truth'??

also, does anyone know how it originated...all my life i have used the term...comments like 'how long have u been in the truth?

TonusOH

I just assumed that every religion saw itself that way; I wasn't aware that it was a trait mostly unique to JWs. But I also cannot recall any non-JWs doing it. I guess it gets mixed up with phrases like "you think you have the truth, but you do not." I don't know when that began, though it is the kind of thing that Rutherford would have liked. A way to differentiate themselves while also poking everyone else in the eye.

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Ken and Barbie

by peacefulpete in

forgive the insensitivity of this but does the wt imagine the "resurrected" bodies of the dead will have useless genitalia?

or will the humans 2.0 have the smooth appearance of a ken doll or the nipple-less breasts of a barbie.

any breasts at all?

TonusOH

The impression I got (and this has been years, so I may not be remembering accurately) is that Jesus would rule during the thousand year period after Armaggedon, during which time humanity would achieve perfection. At the end of it, Satan is let loose for a short time and accounts are finally settled. Then Jesus would relinquish the throne to Jehovah.

What happens to Jesus after this? I don't think that was ever specified. But it is hard to imagine that he takes any meaningful role after that. He would be like one of the 144,000 at that point.