If only the GB are the 144,000, they can save a lot on wine and crackers at the memorial now. "We will not be passing the wine and bread, as none of you need to partake. Instead, just pantomime the act of passing them back and forth. Right, just like that. Good, good. Hey! Brother Jones! Do not pantomime drinking or eating!"
TonusOH
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The Reason Behind Recent Watchtower Changes
by Vanderhoven7 ineric wilson's video is worth a view.. https://youtu.be/iil4fryuczk?si=f566n0tdqgpqc2ok.
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Depression & Isolation
by TxNVSue2023 ini've been recently reinstated & am very happy about it.
i do love righteous (love & justice) and i do hate wickedness ( selfishness & sin).
i do love jehovah and the bible truths & wisdom.
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TonusOH
Teddnzo: We so want the Bibles promises to be true and talk as if we have no doubt but we all do have doubts about JW interpretations.
Why not visit other churches to see if you can find one that eases your doubts? If you believe in the Bible but have doubts about JW interpretation, that's a pretty big hurdle in my mind. And you should be able to find new friends in those churches, without the concern that they will turn their backs on you if you express doubts or seek answers elsewhere.
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I have some questions about the Org.!
by KerryKing inare any or all of the gb from jewish descent?.
why are they so fascinated with following ancient jewish 'principles' ?.
isa 43:10, 44:8 ' you are my witnesses ' which they based their religious identity on, jehovah's witnesses, yet those verses address the jews, not christians, which they profess to be.. jesus said in ac 1:8 'you will be witnesses of me ', .
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TonusOH
Diogenesister: It's funny because I always assumed it had always been through the female line, since back then it was the only provable line.
Keep in mind that, back then, a wife was considered a man's property. I suppose that, even in the event of infidelity, the child could be considered part of the line of the man who owned the child's mother. Would be interesting to see if this was the case. It wouldn't surprise me that they did not want to give the woman any sort of value aside from being chattel.
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Is Jesus God?
by Sea Breeze ini know that a lot of historical names have claimed to be a god.
but, jesus arguably claimed to be god.
scripture says he's the creator.
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TonusOH
The impression I get is that the question is, how many of the deities that people worship (or once worshipped) specifically identified themselves as THE one true god. But the topic title gives the impression that it's a discussion about the specific role of Jesus. Is he god, or a creation of the actual god?
I don't know how many gods claimed to be the almighty, the god of gods, the top dog, etc. I'm going to assume that, for any gods that did not make this claim explicitly, the followers will feel that it is not a relevant criteria. How do we determine the value of such a statement? What reason would we have to give that claim any particular merit? How explicit does the phrasing need to be?
And also, I think we would need to reconcile the question of Jesus's divinity as described in the Bible. His claim to be the one true god doesn't carry weight if it is determined that he is a creation of a different god. After two thousand years, that issue does not appear to be resolved. If Jesus isn't the one true god, how do we interpret the passages where he might have insinuated this? If he claimed it, how do we account for the inaccuracy of the claim?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
Notice both the gaslighting ("you do not speak for all survivors") and the misdirection ("CSA survivors[...] who are appalled at the smear campaign"). He handwaves his crimes as the 'mistakes' of a 'flawed individual' in order to claim that these do not prevent him from 'advocating against the cover-up of CSA.' He then goes back to gaslighting, by accusing others of "weaponizing CSA" to use against him.
The statement is an utter mess of poor excuses and rationalizations designed to handwave his disgusting behavior, while pretending that the real crime is when people expose him and refuse to allow him to reshape the narrative.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
It's probably worthwhile to also point out that, if you ever express doubts or push back on Evans, he is very likely to go full scorched-earth against you. More than a few people got burned by him even though they were still trying to support him or help him. If you are not completely in his corner, he will see it as betrayal and turn on you.
When that happens, remember that you're not alone and far from the only person to experience it. And also that it wasn't worth it to stand by his side (or anywhere near him, to be honest).
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JW-God's channel of communication
by enoughisenough inthe faithful slave is considered god's channel of communication.
( though not inspired of god ) does anyone else find the use of the word channel interesting in this regard?
from where i am sitting it denotes spiritism.
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TonusOH
The implication is clear: Jehovah is using them to communicate with the world. This is why it sounds so bad when they later claim to be fallible men who can get things wrong. If god wanted to use you as his channel of communication, why wouldn't he make sure that you got the message out clear and correct? Otherwise, doesn't it make god seem incompetent, that he cannot get his message across clearly? Why would your imperfect nature matter? Does god not know how to use people to get important messages across?
'God chose us to get this message to you, but please be aware that we might screw it up' is not the sort of thing that breeds confidence. It's the kind of thing a con man might say.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
Thanks for the update, Kim/Mike. Hope everything is okay.
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JW profit from disasters
by enoughisenough insome time back i questioned about jw making money from doing relief work for disasters.
i found this story on reddit and also noted some of the replies.
it makes me wonder how many would have left their own jobs and paid their way, giving free labor and some supplying free materials if they had know what was going on behind the scenes.
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TonusOH
Thanks for the info, Beth Sarim.
They probably didn't do anything illegal, but it would be a bad look if they were prioritizing wealthy families in order to maximize the money they made from using free labor. If the only claims are from anonymous Reddit posts, there's not much to go on.
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JW profit from disasters
by enoughisenough insome time back i questioned about jw making money from doing relief work for disasters.
i found this story on reddit and also noted some of the replies.
it makes me wonder how many would have left their own jobs and paid their way, giving free labor and some supplying free materials if they had know what was going on behind the scenes.
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TonusOH
Interesting thread. I don't know what RBC is, though.
And I can only imagine the kind of career that the poster's father passed on. If he had that many skills --including implementation of SAP in the 1990s!-- he could have made a ton of money by not donating so much of his time and knowledge and energy to the WTS. And all the while attending meetings that made him 'uncomfortable.'