Another in a long line of reminders for his supporters- this is who you are supporting with your money. Frequent vacations, infrequent content uploads. I am thinking that it is now possible to see his Patreon support dip under 300 before the end of the year. I thought we were down to the hardcore supporters who would keep sending money no matter what. But perhaps the recent slowdown only means that future drops will be more erratic.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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Who Was The Biggest Jackass Circuit Overseer You Ever Met?
by Sea Breeze inthere was on older white-haired circuit overseer in houston around 1989 or 1990. last name started with a w i think.... not sure though.
even the most brain-dead robotic elders told me he was offensive.
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Foolednomore: Seems like uber jwdub make the biggest assholes.
Well, that just makes them like most people. Those who are most dedicated to something will judge others as falling short of their standard. And the more fervent they are, the harder it is for them to hide it. I have to say, though, that most of the uber JWs I knew weren't MS or elders.
I don't recall any particular overseer who stood out as a jerk during my time as a JW. But there were a number of elders who definitely fit the mold. Some people will see the promotion to MS or elder as a chance to serve, and others will see it as a position of authority. The latter are often very difficult to deal with, as they tend to do the least (to help the congregation) but demand the most (deference and respect). They were usually very vain men, the sort who spent more time worrying about their hairline than about the congregation's needs.
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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...
by dolphman inok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
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So... what does Russell's foray into freemasonry mean? What is the takeaway?
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"You Can't Handle The Truth!"
by FragrantAddendum in...or can you?.
(we'll see...).
https://youtu.be/ckk850qhgws.
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The most important presupposition for JWs is that the GB is guided by Jehovah through his holy spirit. Everything they say is good/right/true because it is from god, not men. Any guidance they offer and any interpretations they make are thus divine and questioning them can be a sign of apostasy.
The potential problem is with their admission that they're imperfect men and don't always get things right. The implication is that god always gives them the right guidance, but they are flawed humans and don't always figure out the message until much later. But this makes it look like either god is not good at getting his guidance through to them, or they are bad listeners. Either should make even a loyal JW go "hmmm..."
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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LMsA: look for yet another begging stunt, this time threatening to quit altogether.
He will have a tougher time of it now, since his output has decreased. I think he will be looking for donations from people who feel sorry for him, instead of people hoping to see more content. That's fine. That's another step closer to bottom.
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Do JWs Get Excited About WT Publications Any More?
by NotFormer inmemory from long ago: my old mate from high school lived next door to a jw and was often "treated" to the latest jw literature.
when the "you can live forever in paradise on earth"* book came out, this neighbour waxed lyrical about how good this book was and how powerful the message was.
he acted really keen about it, like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Vidiot: I think that to recent (non-overlapping) generations, the idea that the World could End just doesn’t seem possible.
One reason for that is the reach of always-on media and quick access to news or to sites that cover those bits of news. It doesn't take long to find long lists of end-of-world predictions, and many of those are within thirty years of the present. If people constantly predict something and it doesn't happen, confidence in those predictions will --predictably-- falter. Harold Camping may have been the straw that broke that particular camel's back.
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Kingdom Hall Insurance
by NotFormer inthat the wt "self insures" kingdom halls has come up in occasional conversations on here.
how exactly does that work?
do they* actually set aside a portion of the monthly remittance from each kingdom hall and save into a pool to cover damage etc.
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I love that they realize how dishonest it is by putting quotes around the word "accident." It looks like a way to hide that info. I don't know of anyone who ever sued over a judicial action, but it must have happened (or been threatened) if they included it.
It's just so blatant. Weren't there any elders who read that and realized how underhanded it sounds?
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Kingdom Hall Insurance
by NotFormer inthat the wt "self insures" kingdom halls has come up in occasional conversations on here.
how exactly does that work?
do they* actually set aside a portion of the monthly remittance from each kingdom hall and save into a pool to cover damage etc.
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TonusOH
Grandpa to the rescue! Thanks, Atlantis.
Wait... what???
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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TonusOH
If you look back at the archives in this forum, a lot of people gave Evans the benefit of the doubt. Only a handful of people saw him for what he was, and they got as much grief from people defending him as they did from Evans himself. Go back to the start of this topic (the first thread) and you will see some pushback even after the livestream.
As a social species, we tend to trust people and give them the benefit of the doubt. Lloyd's aggressive and arrogant posture also tends to put people on the defensive and most will back down. It's not surprising that he got away with it, since he always played it out as if he was just defending himself from attackers and 'haters.' It was only his arrogance that led him to overreact to Kim's actions and make that disastrous livestream. Had he taken the time to assess the situation and made a reasoned response, he might still have most of his support.
I don't blame most of his supporters and helpers --Kim included-- for being there as long as they were. I do agree that anyone who supports him now is somehow ignorant of what has been going on (how?!?), or simply doesn't care. The latter boggles my mind. It's not as if Evans is doing much of anything these days that could be considered activism. Who is he saving? Who is he helping, aside from himself? What does he do that is worth throwing money at, anymore?
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Watchtower Campus
by Gorb ininformation about the new watchtower campus, ready in 2027.. https://www.brplusa.com/projects/watchtower-bible-tract-society-new-headquarters-campus-development.
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TonusOH
They may have been required to use certain environmentally-friendly methods in order to satisfy the local township, perhaps? I recall that there were some environmental concerns that they had to deal with when they were preparing to purchase the land.