the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
Where did MDS say, ahead of time, that Osama Bin Laden would do anything or refer to him as this destructive king? And where did MDS predict what he would do??? Remember, we need to see the words of the prophet, "MDS." Where did he prophecy about these things. Quotes please.
Smitty
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
As I asked, what prophecies have been fullfill? Please quote the statements that were made and how it was fulfilled or link to the prophecies stated.
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 16 October 2002 17:26:43
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
Hi again.
What of these things you mention have come to pass, that we can see, of course? Or are these new prophecies that we are to await?
What about the prophecies that were to occur in fall 2001. Remember???
Smitty
the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.
it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.
and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.
Hi BJC2012. One thing to keep in mind about this "Chieftain" is Deuteronomy 18:22. This would disqualify your "Chieftain" (MDS) wouldn't it?
Deuteronomy 18:22
If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 16 October 2002 12:27:8
what do these scriptures apply to now?
who is apollyon, the locust, the trees and grass??.
rev 9:1-11. the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and i saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth.
Hi all. What do these scriptures apply to now? Who is Apollyon, the locust, the trees and grass??
Rev 9:1-11
The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. [1]
Smitty
i don't know if this has already been posted (as i don't visit as much anymore).
the wts has changed the info in the faq section of their media site,
http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm
Hi all,
I agree with Metatron. No 'leaving of the faith' is ever recognized - except as deliberate disassociation which results in shunning. Those that stop going to meetings are considered brothers who are weak. They have not left the faith, just inactive. This phrase, "leaving the faith" should only apply to disassociated ones only.
Also, the topic heading on the JW's site says, Do you shun former members?
Who is a former member except those whom have taken their names of the membership list?
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 27 August 2002 15:21:38
i don't know if this has already been posted (as i don't visit as much anymore).
the wts has changed the info in the faq section of their media site,
http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm
Hi FreePeace,
"Those who simply leave the faith are not shunned"
Is this new also? I disassociated myself and have been shunned for years. So, is this something new or is the brotherhood ignorant of it?
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 27 August 2002 11:13:59
psalms 82:6 -- "i said, 'you are "gods"; .
in your opinion, who does this scripture apply?
offer scriptural support if you can.
Psalms 82:6 -- "I said, 'You are "gods";
In your opinion, who does this scripture apply? Offer scriptural support if you can.
Smitty
Edited by - smitty on 19 August 2002 15:11:26
the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.
one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.
in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.
The reason You Know is so long winded is because he seems to be none other than "MDS". We all know who he was. "The messiah" He should have given up by now.
Edited by - smitty on 22 July 2002 15:1:13
does anyone here have a link to a video or transcript online of the last dateline show about jws?
If you go to Silentlambs website, into Dateline update, it has instructions from dateline as to getting a transcript or video.
