Posts by jp1692

People like Steve Hassan, Robert Jay Lifton, Margaret Singer, Louis Jolyon West, and Michael Langone, have contributed invaluable work. Unfortunately, most of their work is unconsidered or discounted as extremist in academia.

I am sure that the majority of academics aren't concerned about cults in particular or even religion in general. They are concerned about their own particular field of study and research. That's to be expected.

What is your basis for saying that "most of their work is unconsidered or discounted as extremist in academia"?

I know Michael Langone personally. He and many of his colleagues working in the field of cultic studies and other high-control, destructive groups are held in high regard by many academics.

jp

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CLAM MEETING Dumbing down

by freddo in

jw
friends

so yesterday was the midweek meeting - the first of the month for december so instead of locals doing the little talk skits we get the on screen shadow puppets.. after each one the ms taking the item asks the congregation for "positive" comments.. part way through i get a text from a pimo brother enduring the show which reads thus (and i quote word for word ...).

"it's like listening to a bunch of people from a mental institution.

".

jp1692

Screen shadow puppets

Reminds me of Plato's allegory of the cave:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RWOpQXTltA

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So my PIMO Younger Brother Tried To Kill Himself Today

by pale.emperor in

we all know that this cult will drive those trying to leave to desperate measures, and today by brother was very nearly one of those statistics.

he slashed his thigh with a kitchen knife and was bleeding out until he called the police.. i got a call on my way home from work from a police officer, coincidentally it was one of my old friends from school who's now a cop.

he told me my brother is in hospital after an attempted suicide and has lost some blood but will be ok. but i should get to the hospital as he's asking for me.

jp1692

Love always wins.

How I wish that were true. Unfortunately it isn't.

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Congregation picnic time

by Jayk in

i've never been completely shunned because i've never been baptized.

my father side has always talked to me and included me in family events.

but my mom's side is in denial of shunning me.

jp1692

Jayk, unfortunately when our family members are in a cult they often treat those of us that aren’t in their cult like shit.

Sorry you’re having to deal with this. Pretty much everyone else on this forum has experienced similar treatment by our families.

I’m glad your dad’s side makes you feel included.

Honestly, and I’m not trying to be a jerk here, but why would you want to hang out with people that don’t treat you well?

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So my PIMO Younger Brother Tried To Kill Himself Today

by pale.emperor in

we all know that this cult will drive those trying to leave to desperate measures, and today by brother was very nearly one of those statistics.

he slashed his thigh with a kitchen knife and was bleeding out until he called the police.. i got a call on my way home from work from a police officer, coincidentally it was one of my old friends from school who's now a cop.

he told me my brother is in hospital after an attempted suicide and has lost some blood but will be ok. but i should get to the hospital as he's asking for me.

jp1692

PE, well done. Your brother is lucky to have you as his advocate.

And good job on the book placement. Don't forget to record that on your monthly Field Service Report! ... LOL

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What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

jp1692

Jayk, I don't drink malt liquor, I drink single malt whiskey. They are about as similar as a Sloppy Joe sandwich and Filet Mignon.

But I do appreciate the sentiment.

Same back at ya!

jp

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What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

jp1692

So now you think I'm a "social justice warrior."

As I said, you're one confused little puppy!

I will give you credit for getting this right though:

Jayk: The fact you say sex and gender are not synonymous ... I now know who I'm dealing with

Good. You're dealing with someone who knows the difference between these two commonly confused words.

PS: I reread my last post. You were right. There are two mistakes. I am missing a end quote after the word matter and I said "latter" when I meant former. Good catch!

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What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

jp1692

Jayk, you are one confused little puppy!

Let me break it down for you:

You start a thread on an anonymous internet site asking a question. So far so good.
You get answers you don’t like—often because you didn’t understand what the responders wrote. For example: in my case, because I whimsically wrote that I want to know what women want and that I’m fond of single malt whiskey, you erroneously conclude I’m an alcoholic that just wants to have sex (as if that’s a bad thing).
You then engage in petty attacks insulting forum members based on your misunderstanding of what they wrote.
When people try to clarify your misunderstanding you escalate the personal attacks and make ridiculous, irrelevant comments about things which you could not possibly know.
You confuse who wrote what and then attack posters for things that they didn’t even write. (I never mentioned cheese until you brought it up; I then pointed out that you were wrongly attributing that comment to me. It wasn’t me. Get the clue.)
When anyone calls you on your bullshit, instead of admitting your error you continue with even more offensive replies.
You clearly don’t appreciate sarcasm, but somehow vaguely know that you didn’t get it and so respond in what is apparently the only way you know: more personal attacks.
You brag about your alleged athletic prowess even though that has absolutely nothing to do with the current discussion.
You make crude, rude offensive sexual comments thinking that I or anyone else would take you seriously enough to care what you think.
You crosspost on another thread harassing someone that disagreed with you here. This is known as cyberstalking.
You seem oddly obsessed with he size of your penis, as if anyone here cares, (and forgetting that I’m interested in what women want, not men). Overcompensating much?

Congratulations, you have broken an astonishing number of forum guidelines and general rules of internet etiquette in a single thread.

By the way: sex and gender are not synonymous. Google it!

While we’re on this topic, I will make my final comment in response to your final comment:

Jayk: Im not sure if my dick would be big enough for you to be satisfied.

As I’ve said before, I like women. But I do hear you expressing your feelings of inadequacy. Some say “size doesn’t matter, but from what I’ve heard from my friends of all sexes, genders and sexual orientations: those that enjoy “dick” like a man that HAS a big dick, not one that IS a big dick. It’s unfortunate that you seem to be lacking in both areas. Although there is not much you can do about the latter, you can learn to stop being a dick. It’s not easy, but it can be done.

Please see the “Don’t be a dick” rule in the forum Posting Rules for further clarification. Scroll all the way down. You’ll find it in the last paragraph before the “Our Agreement” section.

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You may PRETEND to care - in reality you are SELFISH!

by wannabefree in

that;s what my wife (and all jw's) gets to hear about us at the kingdom hall today, (hmmmm, i wonder if she'll raise her hand to answer this one) ... .

watchtower study ... today, apostates and others who create divisions in the congregation use “smooth talk and flattering speech.” (romans 16:17, 18) they may pretend to care about others, but in reality, they are selfish.. (the watchtower - study edition (simplified version) 10/17 page 4 paragraph 7).

jp1692

In my experience, it’s the elders disrespecting and blatantly violating appropriate family boundaries “who create divisions in the congregation.”

In that context I’d completely agree with the follow-up statement: “They may pretend to care about others, but in reality, they are selfish” tools, mindlessly obeying their cult programming.