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Grounds for Disfellowshipping?

by eyes_opened in

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hey all,.

i'm sure this topic has probably been covered before, but as i'm in this situation now i'm hoping maybe you can offer your thoughts.. i'm just curious, what are actually grounds for disfellowshipping?.

i'm to the point where i no longer believe that jehovah's witnesses have the truth, but if at all possible i want to avoid the big *d* word, as most of my family and my husbands family are still jehovahs witnesses.

somebody

eyes_opened, ( great picture! ) :-)

I'm TRULY sorry for your situation. It's so haertbreaking for you to have to risk losing family if you don't obey all the rules dictated to you by the elders, which are dictated to them by a publishing company. I don't understand how things got this bad. I know by your reply to my "WHY?!" post that you understand what's going on, and I understand what you must be going through. I feel empathy for you. Please try and stay strong. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. I pray everything turns out well and that you don't lose the love of any of your family members. I don't know how I'd cope in a situation like yours, so I really can't give any advice on what to do.

peace and God bless you,
somebody

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WHY ? !!!

by somebody in

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friends

the very first scripture cited under the "sharing on a judicial committee" in the elders book is duet.

1:16. here are a million questions!

how do members let the higher -ups use a scripture from the ot where moses was speaking to isreal, and completely disregard jesus' words?

somebody

bjc2012,

Maybe the WBTS should tell the truth to the media. they should have put this up on their site:

Are you Christians?

No. We follow Paul, the apostle, and put faith in the ransom sacrifice he provided for the salvation of mankind. We imitate his example in preaching and teaching and in our dealings with fellow humans.

At least they would have been telling the truth if they put that up there.

somebody

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WHY ? !!!

by somebody in

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friends

the very first scripture cited under the "sharing on a judicial committee" in the elders book is duet.

1:16. here are a million questions!

how do members let the higher -ups use a scripture from the ot where moses was speaking to isreal, and completely disregard jesus' words?

somebody

Is Paul your savior? Did God give his son Paul all authority over the heaven and the earth? Do you pray for forgiveness of your sins to Paul? PLEASE! You can follow Paul if you choose to. But don't go around preaching that you follow Christ when you don't! Obviously, you follow Paul and NOT Jesus, for you hold his words as COMMANDS as they were Jesus' words. You can't take what God gave his Son and give it to Paul. Just like you can give it to the society. It's your choice. Just look at the one you're making.

somebody

Edited by - somebody on 16 February 2001 12:41:53

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WHY ? !!!

by somebody in

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friends

the very first scripture cited under the "sharing on a judicial committee" in the elders book is duet.

1:16. here are a million questions!

how do members let the higher -ups use a scripture from the ot where moses was speaking to isreal, and completely disregard jesus' words?

somebody

Hi Englishman, Gozz

It's very frustating to see so many people hurting and not being able to do a thing about it. And it irks the crap out of me when I see things like this on the WBTS's media website:
____________________________
Are you Christians?
Yes. We follow Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and put faith in the ransom sacrifice he provided for the salvation of mankind. We imitate his example in preaching and teaching and in our dealings with fellow humans.
______________________

that's what the WBTS tell the media/public. In what way do they put faith Jesus' sacrifice? What is the main reason he gave his life? So that sinners can be disfellowshipped for their sins by a group of fellow sinners? Where is there ANY faith in that? Jesus said to forgive over and over again. Even repeat sinners! NOT to disfellowship over and over again. I was reading a post on H20 about a male who slept overnite at a females house. He slept on her couch. He felt as though he sinned so he confessed it to an elder. Now he might be disfellowshipped. He didn't even committ a sin! How's that? ! Forget about asking God for forgiveness and getting it. The elder's forgiveness is all people care about. To make it even worse is that oldhippie suggested that he beg for mercy!! Seems to me this guy puts NO faith in Jesus ransom ( the guy who might be disfellowshipped), and ALL faith in the elders. That's where people look for forgiveness of their sins. The elders. It's really eating me up inside to see people idolize elders and the WBTS this way. The last time I was in a kh, talking to an elder, he jumped down my throat for reading my Bible . He said it leads to independent thinking. He was right. For some reason he was making it sound as if reading the bible and understanding some of it is something satanic! I was there to discuss what Jesus said about forgiving others for their sins, or else we won't be forgiven for our own sins. It was bothering me terribly that I wasn't allowed to even SPEAK to a disfellowhipped girl in our hall. He told me that the "society" rules are the "socities" rules, and that I'd get disfellowshipped too, if I disobeyed them. That's when I knew something was deeply wrong. They don't want their followers to read their bibles alone. Because they might see that there is only ONE savior, and it's not a printing company in New York, USA. The fact is, one can't serve God and the "society" at the same time. It's one or the other. I knew I couldn't stay there and be able to follow Jesus' teachings at the same time. Because people who choose to follow Jesus' example instead of the "society's" get punished for it. That is the truth of the matter. Like the saying goes, you can't serve 2 masters.

So..I ask any JW out here, In what way do YOU put faith in Jesus' ransom? And in what way do YOU imitate Jesus' example in preaching, teaching, and your dealings with fellow humans?

Why the hell would the WBTS put something like that on their site to the media/public when it is a LIE?

I thought I was done ranting for today, but I guess I'm not! :-)

peace,
somebody
PS...to make it all worse, pedophiles are to be treated as innocent unless there was 2 witnesses. But when a guy who feels like he sinned by sleeping on someones couch because it was a female who's roof the couch was under, confesses, he stands a chance of being disfellowhipped or reproved. Will the insanity ever stop? Is there an ounce of reasonableness in all this that I'm blind to?

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WHY ? !!!

by somebody in

jw
friends

the very first scripture cited under the "sharing on a judicial committee" in the elders book is duet.

1:16. here are a million questions!

how do members let the higher -ups use a scripture from the ot where moses was speaking to isreal, and completely disregard jesus' words?

somebody

The very first scripture cited under the "sharing on a judicial committee" in the elders book is Duet. 1:16. Here are a million questions! How do members let the higher -ups use a scripture from the OT where Moses was speaking to Isreal, and COMPLETELY disregard Jesus' words? Why do members let them get away with it by staying? The WBTS and elders might as well just say, " God gave his only begotten Son so that we can be forgiven our sins, but not for you ,buddy!" It's the same thing as telling them that Jesus never died for them! Why is it that the "flock book" never cited any of these scriptures from the Bible AFTER Jesus was resurrected? :

( caps are mine)
Luke 6:37 "Moreover, STOP JUDGING and you will by no means be judged; and STOP CONDEMNING, and you will by no means be condemned..."

John 5:22,23 "For the Father Judges no one at all, but has committed ALL the judging to the Son in order that all of you may honour the Son JUST AS they honour the Father who sent him."

Matthew 28:18 Jesus said" All authority has been given to me in the heaven and the earth. Go therefore and make publishers of the people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and in association with God's organization." ( ok..so that ain't what it really says, but it might as well ! )

What happend to baptized disciples? What happened to the good news that the disciples were told by Jesus to preach in the Bible? What does Jesus dying so that we can be forgiven our sins even mean to JWs? It's pretty said when the Bible says that if we confess our sins, we are forgiven, but if a JW confesses their sins to elders, they are investigated so that elders can judge their hearts to see if they are repentent enough to suit them. If not, then they aren't forgiven. Instead, they are punished for so many months until they've prooved their repentence to other humans. " we'l lforgive you....later...after you've prooved yourself...till then, you're handed over to satan for while...and we're gonna tell the whole congregation too."

How can they live with taking the authority that was given by Jehovah, to his Son, away from him and giving it to themselves? And taking the WHOLE PURPOSE of why Jesus died away? Saying that Jesus died for our sins is just something to say for them. It means absolutely nothing! No meaning at all! I guess God never gave his Son's life for them at all. That must be why they don't follow him. They follow anyone from moses to Paul, but not Jesus. It's one thing to say that one follows Jesus, it's another to do it.

I'm fuming today and I had to get this out of me!

thanks,
somebody

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Who's Going to the Memorial??

by Prisca in

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friends

just wondering..... for those of us who are inactive, or have serious doubts, etc etc... are you going to the memorial, even though you don't fully agree with how they explain things?.

anyone planning to have their own at home?.

or are you still planning on going, even if it's to say g'day to long "lost" friends?.

somebody

Please accept my apology, Prisca. I didn't even answer your question!

I won't be attending the memorial. And I,like Englishman,would never step foot a kingdom hall again. I fully agree with what LDH said on the subject.

Peace,
somebody

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Who's Going to the Memorial??

by Prisca in

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friends

just wondering..... for those of us who are inactive, or have serious doubts, etc etc... are you going to the memorial, even though you don't fully agree with how they explain things?.

anyone planning to have their own at home?.

or are you still planning on going, even if it's to say g'day to long "lost" friends?.

somebody

Frenchy,

:I got a call the other night from the new P.O. Seems that 9 months after I stepped down and stopped going to the meetings they want to meet with me. My instincts, which are seldom wrong, tell me that any laying on of the hands will be with a noose and not with healing in mind.

Every person that I've spoken to in past few years that have recieved "sheparding" visits because they were inactive have been asked these 2 questions:

1. Do you condiser yourself a Jehovah's Witness?
and
2. Do you believe the "society" is the faithful and discreet slave spoken about in the Bible.

No matter what they talk to you about, those 2 questions will come out during the conversation. What they will do to you from there, depends on your answers.

Peace,
Chagger
PS...Did you agree to meet with the P O or anyone else?

Edited by - somebody on 12 February 2001 13:22:1

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cows and bulls/ lesson

by somebody in

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friends

does anyone have the article about cows and bulls and sex printed by the wbts ?

i can't find the post about it.

i know i read it here.. thanks in advance,.

somebody

Frenchy,

Nevermind, you don't have to search. I found the thread. It was started by Pathofthorns on Sept.26, 2000. The thread is called, One for the ladies.

Thank you for offering to search for me.

peace,
somebody

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cows and bulls/ lesson

by somebody in

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friends

does anyone have the article about cows and bulls and sex printed by the wbts ?

i can't find the post about it.

i know i read it here.. thanks in advance,.

somebody

I think it was awhile back. I remember this line in it, if this will hep you search:

"It's about high time young girls took a lesson form these animals."
The sentence was something like that. The article said that bulls are always horny but new enough to stay away from the cows until the cows went into heat. If cows that were in heat when there were no bulls around, then they'd raom and search till they found one. It was a strange article, to say the least. :-)

Thanks, Frenchy.

somebody

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Paradise earth or heaven?

by Pathofthorns in

it has been said to me "what other organization offers a hope of a paradise earth?

" to "prove" that witnesses have the "truth".. it seems to me that this "spiritual materialism" and the inability to see beyond the physical and fleshly world draw many to become and remain witnesses.. as for me, i fail to see such a fleshly reward set out in scripture and more so i cannot possibly see how anything fleshly could live forever in a problem-free environment.. everything fleshly and physical is temporary and changing.

nothing lives forever.

somebody

Prisca,

You sure spoke volumes when you said this. :

:Well, the WTS did bring out a principal text book called "You Can Live Forever In Paradise"! So who's to blame for inculcating a materialistic mentality instead of a real spirituality?

:When the thoughts of a paradise earth, with a home for everyone, animals and humans at peace, all nationalities at peace, with plenty of food and good health for all, are inculcated in you from the first meeting with a Witness at your doorstep, or from babyhood for those raised as Witnesses, why else would you think or dare to dream of anything more?
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That about sums everything up as to WHY poeple will give their very lives and beings, in exchange for membership.

somebody