If anyone has his/Tom's e-mail address or has kept in touch with him, can you please send me a PM?
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Tallyman...
by somebody inif anyone has his/tom's e-mail address or has kept in touch with him, can you please send me a pm?
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Is becoming an XJW like growing up?
by ballistic indid your process of leaving the organisation and learning new stuff feel like growing up to you?
looking back at your time in the so called "truth", do you think you were misled or even "naive"?
even "innocent"?
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Ballistic,
You asked and said::
Did your process of leaving the organisation and learning new stuff feel like growing up to you? Looking back at your time in the so called "truth", do you think you were misled or even "naive"? Even "innocent"? Do you think it is just the result of having your eyes opened to something that makes it feel that way? Or do you think there is a real process going on here?
I feel as if I could have written the same thing on looking back on my life in being raised a JW. I had the same thougths and I asked MYSELF the SAME questions that you have asked here. I could never understand anyone "going back to the hall" either. For me, it was like a child going back to believing that there really is a Santa Claus. Once you grow up even to the age of say....6 or 7, your natural thougths are that there isn't and you face reality no matter how much you really wish Santa existed. Comparing that with what you said, I did look at leaving the borg and facing real life as growing up. I knew that "going back to the hall" was not going to help me grow up and live life in reality, nor could I have sat there and listened to make -believe land, no more than a child can "go back to believing" that Santa Claus really exists. But even coming to that conclusion took me quite a few years. It takes a long time to grow up! ;-) peace, gwenSometimes when people post those "going back to the hall" threads, this is the perspective from which I cannot understand it one bit. Once you have had your eyes opened, you cannot un-learn what you know, or return to innocence.
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Man vs. Woman
by somebody inif the wbts inc have done anything, they have insutled men just as they have insulted women.
while they implied that women are evil and always trying to induce man into evil, they have implied that men's brains are in their genitals.
in that that view, the wbts are part of this world.
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I guess men were created to follow the lead and not take the lead in certain circumstances in life. If there is a female around, then being the HEAD brings on a whole different meaning!
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Looking for reference to pre-1981 view of disfellowshipped family members
by CaptainSchmideo in.
can't find it through the normal searches on the 2001 cd (gee, i wonder why...).
thanks in advance!.
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It does not matter what was PRE 1980's. Family ties have ALWAYS been broken in a cult such as the WBTS INC. because what they teach INISIDERS is opposite than what those INSIDERS will turthfully admit to outsiders. Just as adherents to any other cult will do.
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Man vs. Woman
by somebody inif the wbts inc have done anything, they have insutled men just as they have insulted women.
while they implied that women are evil and always trying to induce man into evil, they have implied that men's brains are in their genitals.
in that that view, the wbts are part of this world.
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If the WBTS INC have done anything, they have insutled MEN JUST AS they have insulted WOMEN. While they implied that women are evil and always trying to induce man into evil, they have implied that men's brains are in their genitals. In that that view, the WBTS are part of this world. And the ole COWS AND BULLS article should speak volumes.
I think all you men should speak up !
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Jesus came in 1874 and then changed to 1914, no problem, per FDS
by garybuss inprefatory note .
(to watch tower reprints wtb&ts 1919) .
the watch tower is unique among all the publications in the world.
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If you read the WBTS INC' s "spiritual food at the proper time", Jesus returned twice already. In 1914 and again in 1918. ( and that isn't counting the year 1918 when Jesus actually did something! ) This is what "it" has been feeding it's followers since way after "it" changed it's mind about 1874!
If Jesus' return means "parousia", then that would mean that Jesus keeps returning and then disappearing,again and again. For his invisible return is supposed to happen for at LEAST a third time in the future, according to the corporation with special insight into advanced knowlegde that no one else has.
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I Quit my job today ? Just venting
by hippikon ini?ve been away from the board for a while ?
i had a new high-pressure sales job that took all my time.
(we just moved interstate and i took the first job that came along) .
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((((((((((((hippikon)))))))))))))))))))))),
You have a very special place in my heart. And if ever the two words "honest" and "salesman" would ever be put together, you'd be why the two words were put together in my opinion, and through my personal experience with salesmen/saleswomen.
A job in sales is a very hard job for honest people to be in.
I hope all is well with you and yours!
peace,
somebody/gwen
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Had a strange dream last night...
by Elsewhere ini usually don't wake up remembering any dreams... but every now and then i do and this morning i woke up from a reeeeeally strange one.. this is how it went:.
i meet this girl from india... she is dressed in a traditional looking outfit.
she is very attractive, aside from one problem: she has a disorder that causes her to grow hair all over her body and face.
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Steve,
somebody said to elsewhere
Whose on first?
LOL.! So true! But I'm about to make a point in asking what I asked and in saying what I said.
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The two baptismal questions
by version 2.1 inhey folks:.
does anyone know where i can get my hands on the two questions that baptismal candidates have to answer?
you know, the "have you rejected the sinful course etc etc" that we had to stand and answer before getting baptized?.
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Not sure, but this might be what you are looking for, version 2.1 5/15/1970 Watchtower 20 Two questions which do search out the heart and mind of each candidate are: (1) Have you recognized yourself as a sinner and needing salvation from Jehovah God? And have you acknowledged that this salvation proceeds from him and through his ransomer, Christ Jesus? (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for redemption have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to Jehovah God, to do his will henceforth as that will is revealed to you through Christ Jesus and through God?s Word as his holy spirit makes it plain? Those who answer ?yes? audibly to these two questions so that the other persons present may witness their affirmation of dedication may appropriately be baptized. 6/1/85 Watchtower At the close of the convention baptism talk, the baptism candidates will be in position to answer with depth of understanding and heartfelt appreciation two simple questions that serve to confirm that they recognize the implications of following Christ?s example. The first question is: (1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? (2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah?s Witnesses in association with God?s spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism. Perhaps you'll notice that the HOLY SPIRIT is missing. Nothing like replacing GOD'S Holy Spirit with 'yourself" as an organization as the WBTS INC did. I often wonder why they didn't just print "in assocaition with the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society Inc. of NY. For their is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in what they printed. peace, somebody
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Introducing Myself...
by kyria ini just wanted to introduce myself and share my verbose story.
my name is kyria, i'm 29 years old, originally from the pawtucket/lincoln rhode island congregation in the states.
i found this board yesterday, and am completely blown away by what an amazing place it is.
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Kyria,
I really not I'm "gald" you're here , but GLAD that you're here. I'm sorry about the dyslexia in both typing and writing.