I'm thinking many of us are going in the wrong direction here. I believe this is a very unusual move and it's paving the way for a change in how the wives of appointed brothers serve in the congregation. Remember, nothing that Elders or Ministerial Servants do in the congregation in general has a scriptural basis. The Scriptures are clear that the first century christian women had a lot more influence in congregations than JWs and many churches today currently make out. Perhaps JWs will go down that route again to "reexamine the first century Christians" and start giving women more assignments. I see big announcements coming our way, just wait for the jealous PIMI sisters who have no husbands or whose husbands aren't appointed!! More factions await us!
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The August 2024 Watchtower controversy and potential further changes
by ukpimo inas an educated guess, the august 2024 watchtower may be delayed because 2 complicated subjects need to be discussed in this issue which haven't yet been approved to be included in the revised shepherding textbook.
perhaps the revised shepherding textbook must be finalised before this watchtower is released publicly.. the 2 subjects may be as follows:.
how to shepherd and appoint brothers based on the removal of the hour requirements, getting to know the brothers instead (does this mean prioritising appointing men who have auxiliary pioneered during the co visit and campaigns or men who are regular pioneers?).
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Consequences for actions. A high fat / sugary diet
by joe134cd ini want to illustrate my point about where many x-jws go wrong.
to illustrate, imagine a morbidly obese person goes on a calorie restricted diet.
subsequently he loses the excess calories and his health improves.
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And surprisingly, many worldly people are against smoking and drugs, more so than we think. Generally, those from damaged backgrounds, either an abusive upbringing or controlled by religion tend to pursue erratic habits more extensively than the average "worldly" person. A JW or an exJW for instance is probably more likely to either not be disturbed by porn or regularly watch porn, to masturbate frequently in private, to want to fulfill abnormal sexual fantasies, with higher rates of infidelity, suicidal behaviour, depression and anxiety.. and no wonder because in more ways than one we are broken people trying to hurt our bodies when all we need is not to punish ourselves but cherish our life. As for obesity, some people are happy fat, not that it's entirely healthy but if that's what you're happy with then be happy. We can't propagate control tactics once we leave a cult, just enjoy life and let your bodies fill out and enjoy freedom, just don't kill yourself in the process! -
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The August 2024 Watchtower controversy and potential further changes
by ukpimo inas an educated guess, the august 2024 watchtower may be delayed because 2 complicated subjects need to be discussed in this issue which haven't yet been approved to be included in the revised shepherding textbook.
perhaps the revised shepherding textbook must be finalised before this watchtower is released publicly.. the 2 subjects may be as follows:.
how to shepherd and appoint brothers based on the removal of the hour requirements, getting to know the brothers instead (does this mean prioritising appointing men who have auxiliary pioneered during the co visit and campaigns or men who are regular pioneers?).
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An intriguing photo. Wouldn't it be unusual if the delay is because all the JWs in the image have been DFd and they'll have to redo the image or they'll move the artwork onto another month anyway to pave the way for articles relating to the DF arrangement. It's an unusual cover article if the series are mainly about Disfellowshipping, unless it's a decoy to distract worldly people from reading it, and it's referenced only in one article.
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The August 2024 Watchtower controversy and potential further changes
by ukpimo inas an educated guess, the august 2024 watchtower may be delayed because 2 complicated subjects need to be discussed in this issue which haven't yet been approved to be included in the revised shepherding textbook.
perhaps the revised shepherding textbook must be finalised before this watchtower is released publicly.. the 2 subjects may be as follows:.
how to shepherd and appoint brothers based on the removal of the hour requirements, getting to know the brothers instead (does this mean prioritising appointing men who have auxiliary pioneered during the co visit and campaigns or men who are regular pioneers?).
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As an educated guess, the August 2024 Watchtower may be delayed because 2 complicated subjects need to be discussed in this issue which haven't yet been approved to be included in the revised Shepherding Textbook. Perhaps the revised Shepherding Textbook must be finalised before this Watchtower is released publicly.
The 2 subjects may be as follows:
How to shepherd and appoint brothers based on the removal of the hour requirements, getting to know the brothers instead (does this mean prioritising appointing men who have auxiliary pioneered during the CO visit and campaigns or men who are regular pioneers?)
- Does this mean that they cannot decide whether or not to add a supplementary article and/or question box to add as a reference in a revised Shepherding Textbook? Also, why is there an additional change to the 2025 Kingdom Ministry school to include elders and MS wives for final two talks? Is there going to be new direction that will allow wives of appointed men to also have assignments at the Kingdom Hall??? If this proves true, a past speculation about this will have come true.
How to handle disfellowshippings and reinstatements in light of the new direction from the GB update, as well as further emphasis about the personal invitation and simple greeting JWs can give DFd individuals at the Hall.
- Legally, this is going to look messy for the Governing Body. More pressure is coming upon them to relax the DF rules in Europe and other areas like Japan, so are they waiting for court rulings to ultimately change how they implement decisions regarding disfellowshipping? They promised JWs that the GB update adjustments to how JWs view disfellowshippings would be included in future series of Watchtower articles. This edition of the Watchtower may be the crucial edition which has been delayed due to legal issues. Will a further Governing Body Update this month provide extra direction regarding disfellowshipping and perhaps any changes to how elders recommend, appoint or delete brothers as has been speculated in the past, albeit by the "10 year plan guy", but hey it seems to be going in that direction!
The plot thickens.
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2024-06-June-S-147-English-Announcements And Reminders!
by Atlantis in2024-06-june-s-147-english- announcements and reminders.. let me know if you need it in a different language and i'll.
https://pdfupload.io/docs/e297b0ec.
i'll take a supreme pizza with all the extras!.
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I have no connections with Bethel, but my educated guess assumes that the August edition of the Watchtower has been delayed because the Governing Body haven't decided on how to manage these areas:
How to shepherd and appoint brothers based on the removal of the hour requirements, getting to know the brothers instead (does this mean prioritising appointing men who have auxiliary pioneered during the CO visit and campaigns or men who are regular pioneers?)
How to handle disfellowshippings and reinstatements in light of the new direction from the GB update, as well as further emphasis about the personal invitation and simple greeting JWs can give DFd individuals at the Hall.
Admittedly, the Governing Body have made too many changes about various things in such a short space of time. This has no doubt increased their workload, which they continue to ignore as a potential burnout for many of the high ups in the Organization.
If the Governing Body make more changes this year, especially if a significant one occurs in the June 2024 GB update, I'll feel so sad for all the zealous PIMIs, trying to keep up with the "chariot" when in fact they're running in a hamster wheel.
Too many changes in one year is how I view this year for JWs, if the GB keep up their act and it carries on a few more years, we will see many more burn out and leave. I somehow wonder if they'll go so far as to change everything to be closer to a mainstream religion like the LDS church, 2 cults who enjoy copying eachother.
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List of UK Travelling Overseers in 2013
by soiledumpling inhi pepeep am attempting to get a current list of uk travelling overseers.
left 4 years ago and have heard rumours of many new ones.
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I was reading the obituary for Mike Seidler. I remember seeing him on occasion many years ago. Absolute gentleman. His wife Dodie was a dragon however. She was blunt and arrogant. Many people hated Dodie but loved Mike more. Seeing the comment section on the obituary made me realise how well loved some of the "best" men were. Didn't realise he moved back to England. It almost frightened me to see the JW smile on that evil face of Dodie! -
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Who Was The Biggest Jackass Circuit Overseer You Ever Met?
by Sea Breeze inthere was on older white-haired circuit overseer in houston around 1989 or 1990. last name started with a w i think.... not sure though.
even the most brain-dead robotic elders told me he was offensive.
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UK Circuit Overseers who were jackasses, hmm. I have a long list. I've been to many parts of England so I'm well aware of the names and characters of many Circuit Overseers. Some listed are dead, very few are alive today.
Most arrogant:
Alan Stokes (a face you would want to throw up to)
Ian Thomasson (shouldn't have been a CO)
Jonathan Hepworth (high and mighty with a veneer of "humility")
John Carruthers (just an annoying man)
John Stanbridge (an old fart who was as dry and evil as can be)
Philip Rose (control freak and a fat lard of a CO who demanded dessert at lunch breaks)
Henry Devaston (devastating man!!)
Jim Cleary (elders always feared his arrival)
Roddy Holyoake (closeted gay with a fiery temper, whose wife back in the day was an absolute blonde bombshell, too good for him. All the young lads drooled over Mrs CO!)
Colin Seymour (a dry CO with a desire for power over the elder bodies!)
Peter Nichols (one of the old-school COs who wouldn't take no for an answer!)
Paul Rimmington (a robotic drone, marginally pleasant but dry and annoying. Treats the elders like crap, loves the pioneers more and makes sure you know who's boss.)
Slightly arrogant:
Dean Whittaker (Nice enough guy, just controlled by his arsehole wife Debbie who should never have been a CO wife, the least spiritual and condescending CO wife I have ever met)
Colin Conradie (little Hitler)
John Hobden (all eyes on you)
Keith Gaydon (rubbish jokes and stirred up elders at elders meetings)
Anton Irons (cardboard cutout of an old-school CO from the 1960s)
Mike Purbrick (one of the most hated COs!)
Paul Presland
Colin Bird (annoying Northern guy, now disfellowshipped and divorced living with another woman, and a little obsessed with sex)
Phil Appleby (thought too much about himself and his voice)
Mike Spurr (loved all the attention)
Chris Jolly (not as jolly as his surname sounds!)
Anthony Manning (publicly reproved, not sure what for)
Dennis Dutton (full of himself and all the cream cakes)
Average likeable company men:
Ted Wright (lovely gentleman and excellent speaker, had a way with words)
Justin Shaw (a nice guy with a cheesy sense humour)
Clive Upton (a decent guy)
D.? Garrod (a well-mannered bloke)
Mike Seidler (absolutely beautiful human being, a true Christian unlike many other COs of his time, however Dodie his wife was an absolute dragon, most sisters dreaded working woth her on the ministry. The personalities of both didn't match, poor chap. Heard he died recently)
There may be more I can't think of from the top of my head. Only 4 I've mentioned were actually my CO in my circuit, to conceal my identity.
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Any way we can create a website to expose UK JW sex offenders in one place?
by ukpimo inyou read my title correctly.. i was wondering if some of us could get together to create a website linking each town and city in the uk to every news report of a jw sex offender, as well as additional anecdotes from abuse victims of criminals who never made it to the papers.. this project would be a massive undertaking and would require much time and effort, of which i'm willing to either lead or be a part of, ensuring transparency and avoiding our exposure if we are pimo.
such a website would be an invaluable tool and would complement silentlambs very well.
any thoughts?.
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You read my title correctly.
I was wondering if some of us could get together to create a website linking each town and city in the UK to every news report of a JW sex offender, as well as additional anecdotes from abuse victims of criminals who never made it to the papers.
This project would be a massive undertaking and would require much time and effort, of which I'm willing to either lead or be a part of, ensuring transparency and avoiding our exposure if we are PIMO.
Such a website would be an invaluable tool and would complement silentlambs very well. Any thoughts?
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UK Blood Scandal inquiry findings
by ukpimo inhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-69025640.
how do you feel about this latest inquiry?
although we expect jehovah's witnesses to use this opportunity to say "we were right all this time", it's nonetheless a historic blow to the nhs.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-69025640
How do you feel about this latest inquiry? Although we expect Jehovah's Witnesses to use this opportunity to say "we were right all this time", it's nonetheless a historic blow to the NHS.
It makes me question which other health scandals will come to light in the decades to come. I'm fascinated by this news and I'm following the details now.
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Branch dedication London
by ExBethelitenowPIMA ini’ve been invited to the dedication at chelmsford.. it’s crazy here, several thousand ex bethelites here for lots of events.
all hotels booked.
big marquee.
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The Dedication program for congregations was heavily edited.
On Sunday, the Watchtower Summary was taken by Peter Bell.
Then some new guy interviewed a Branch committee member and summarised the whole Saturday Dedication in 20 minutes, which I'm sure was a rub in the sores of poor JWs who weren't "privileged" to attend Saturday, they only got to see one small clip of Kenneth Cook dedicating thr facilities.
Then there were more branch reports. Stephen Hardy took the Britain branch reports and still goes along the rhetoric that most increase in the Britain branch territory is from immigrants. That's not entirely true. The British are still part of the main flow coming in, albeit mainly previously inactive, disfellowshipped or children of JWs.
Then the final talk wasn't the dedication talk. It was an entirely different talk by Kenneth Cook about counting your blessings. Compared to Saturdays largely positive program, Kenneth saved the harsh counsel for Sunday.
"You may think they've been in the truth for decades, how could they do something like this?
Well, a perfect set of teeth can still bite your tongue"
And he left it at that. Whilst the mindless drones laughed, I thought wow how passive aggressive of him! No consideration to the fact that these "faithful ones" may indeed become unfaithful and merit discipline themselves?
Also, a pathetic illustration was given about a farmer kicking a nest on the ground every time he saw it on his morning walk.
Then one day he looked up and saw the bird had begun building the nest in a tree.
He said "I'm so glad that little bird is now finally protected from the cat".
Same reaction from everyone.
So I was fuming and thinking why the absolute hell would he kick the nest anyway?! What a moron! In this country, birds nests are protected by law. His point was "how did you view the farmer at the beginning? We don't always see the bigger picture of things until we give things time". It still didn't explain the point to me, I was convinced that this farmer was still the village idiot.
Then after many cherry picked blessings he mentioned, Kenneth gave counsel about going to extremes with personal hobbies and entertainment, saying that these could distract us from the ministry. The emphasis was on this: as long as the people are faithful, then the dedicated buildings would only be as good as the people in it. Living next door to a bank doesn't automatically make you rich, Kenneth said the day before, and drawing this home again, he said that we want spiritually mature men and women to serve.
It seems this was a passive aggressive attempt at counselling the British for their irreligious lifestyle. In some ways I agree, the British now are mainly godless in society, however I feel he could have been more open about this to bring the point across rather than delicately embarrassing certain groups.