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  I went to a Unitarian church today

  by crownboy in

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  (wow, simon, did you steal microsoft word software or something?

  well, today i did something that in most years past i would have believed would have resulted in me being struck by lightning; i attended a religious service other than the jw's.

  this is the first time i've ever been to another religious service.

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  SpiceItUp

  I have often thought about going to one...I definately will after reading your post.

  Also I decided to take that test on Beliefnet.

  My top 5 were:

  1. Mahayana Buddism (100%)

  2. Neo-Pagan (100%)

  3. New Age (99%)

  4. Unitarian Universalism (96%)

  5. Theravada Buddhism (95%)

  I was extemely happy to see that JW's were at number 23 (only 32%)
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  Breaking the cycle

  by SpiceItUp in

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  isn't it funny how something unpleasant has to happen to you in order for growth and change.

  since i am still somewhat new to the board i will finally get out my ramblings (rants & raves is more like it) of my past.

  my mother was "raised as a jw" and my father became one when he was 19 (i think it was in order to marry my mom).

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  SpiceItUp

  Isn't it funny how something unpleasant has to happen to you in order for growth and change.

  Since i am still somewhat new to the board I will finally get out my ramblings (rants & raves is more like it) of my past. My mother was "raised as a JW" and my father became one when he was 19 (I think it was in order to marry my mom). So both myself and my sister were born into it as well. I would say that we were both abused in all ways except she is still involved in the religion ("cult") so I'm not sure how she views it and don't want to assume how she feels on the matter. Needless to say I have suppressed nearly all my childhood memories until I moved to FL which was when I was 11. I went through many troubled teenage years. Attempte suicide a few times, in & out of mental institutions due to the attempts all the time my parents were on a mission to PROVE I was crazy. My mother even went so far as to take some of my poetry (which actually helped my despression) and used it against me. I still write but I have never shown my parents any of it even though right now we are on pretty good terms.

  Back to the story.... I was 16 when I realized it was the JW that was the root to most of my issues. I wasn't allowed to have "wordly association" so my friends were limited and therefore my self-esteem was non-existent - therefore deeper depression. I quit attending the meetings. I remember pretending to be so tired on Sunday mornings so my parents "couldn't" wake me up to go. This of coarse was very hard on my mother. She felt that she had failed as a parent, but since that couldn't be the case, the problem had to lie with me. My father told me I wasn't allowed to work if I didn't want to attend the meetings. Mind you work was a major outlet for. So I ran away. Didn't get too far because they found me when I showed up for work.

  After that I lived with my employer for a week (we're still friends today) in order to let everyone cool down. By that time I was having sex with older guys, drinking excessively, smoking "herbs". I was on a downward cycle. I had no goals, no dreams because I felt I didn't deserve any.

  I have come a long way since then. I realized that I am not a "bad" or "immoral" person for not living to up my parents standards. However i had not changed enough of my lifestyle to fully appreciate that until this weekend . I had my normal weekend of club/bar hopping, getting trashed and living in a blur. I went to an afterhours party with a "friend" where more drinks were poured and then a game of strip poker. the game itself was a bit of a haze and then it was 6 in the morning and my frind was in the other room. i was ready to go but when she came out she had given her cars keys to the guy that just gave her a few lines of powder. I had done drugs but never anything hardcore and didn't know she did either. Next thing I know is that the guy kicked me out of his house because I was pissed off and let him know it. There I am stranded my only what I had in my pockets and no ride home. There is the saying that you really know who your friends are when you are down in the dumps. A friend I hadn't spoken to in months is who came and picked me up. I feel bad we lost a bit of touch. But better late than never.

  Sometimes you have to feel so alone that you appreciate yourself. I have dreams that I intend on making a reality (I'll only say it involves my guitar). I have even decided to quit drinking for a while. Clear my head up and spend time with myself and get to know me.

  WHEW! I feel so much better. Thanks all for letting me rant, and wish me luck on breaking the destructive cycle I have been on.

  Edited by - SpiceItUp on 10 June 2002 10:35:17
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  The Unfinnished Mystery & 2005 My View

  by docpalo in

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  i had an epiphany about the date 2005. one of the holy men of the governing body was sitting on the throne (loo, potty, crapper) after consuming too much prune juice.

  his movement looked like the numbers 2005. he called all the other holy men together and they agreed.

  the then encased this movement in plastic making a a holy relic.thus we get the expression holy crap!

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  SpiceItUp

  Thus we get the expression Holy Crap!

  
  ROFL!!!!!
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  JW Zone Application

  by Michael3000 in

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  this is the either the funniest or saddest thing i have ever seen.

  paranoia will destroy ya!

  enjoy.... --michael.

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  Isn't it funny that even though I haven't been to a meeting in years I could find out all the answers with one quick call to my mother. Almost tempted just to spy.

  Then again .....my mother would think I was interested and I don't want that.
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  Found this on their official website

  by SpiceItUp in

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  https://watch001.securesites.com/library/g/1993/10/8a/article_02.htm .

  tragically, adult society often unwittingly collaborates with child abusers.

  by refusing to be aware of this danger, by fostering a hush-hush attitude about it, by believing oft-repeated myths.

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  Then again ----- What do I know, IM JUST AN APOSTATE!
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  Found this on their official website

  by SpiceItUp in

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  https://watch001.securesites.com/library/g/1993/10/8a/article_02.htm .

  tragically, adult society often unwittingly collaborates with child abusers.

  by refusing to be aware of this danger, by fostering a hush-hush attitude about it, by believing oft-repeated myths.

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  Had Enough - Very good points.

  I think that they need to show some proof that thats how things are done. I mean we have all the proof we need that they are not following through - where's the evidence that they are.

  If we look at it like a courtroom where we are the plaintifs and they are the defendents. We have already established our burden of proof. now they need proof to defend themselves not just a bunch of old guys saying "thats not true". Give me a break.
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  Found this on their official website

  by SpiceItUp in

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  https://watch001.securesites.com/library/g/1993/10/8a/article_02.htm .

  tragically, adult society often unwittingly collaborates with child abusers.

  by refusing to be aware of this danger, by fostering a hush-hush attitude about it, by believing oft-repeated myths.

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  SpiceItUp

  The public only has a limited interest in JW's. They are much more interested in the Catholic Church.

  This may be true but when you bring up an issue of child abuse and molestation it gets attention. I think the JW's will be under just as much scrutiny as the Catholic Church in the future. After all why did they originally get interested in the Catholics. Was it because of the robes they wear. I think not!
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  Found this on their official website

  by SpiceItUp in

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  https://watch001.securesites.com/library/g/1993/10/8a/article_02.htm .

  tragically, adult society often unwittingly collaborates with child abusers.

  by refusing to be aware of this danger, by fostering a hush-hush attitude about it, by believing oft-repeated myths.

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  https://watch001.securesites.com/library/g/1993/10/8a/article_02.htm

  Tragically, adult society often unwittingly collaborates with child abusers. How so? By refusing to be aware of this danger, by fostering a hush-hush attitude about it, by believing oft-repeated myths. Ignorance, misinformation, and silence give safe haven to abusers, not their victims.

  So are they saying here that they are "unwittingly collaborates"?

  https://watch001.securesites.com/library/g/1993/10/8a/diagram_01.htm

  Misconception: Children fantasize or lie about sexual abuse.

  Under normal circumstances children lack the experience or sophistication in sexual matters to invent explicit claims of abuse, although some small children may become confused about details. Even the most skeptical of researchers agree that most claims of abuse are valid. Consider the book Sex Abuse Hysteria—Salem Witch Trials Revisited, which focuses on false claims of abuse.* This book admits: "Genuine sex abuse of children is widespread and the vast majority of sex abuse allegations of children . . . are likely to be justified (perhaps 95% or more)." Children find it enormously difficult to report abuse. When they do lie about abuse, it is most often to deny that it happened even though it actually did.

  Hmmmm....If most children don't lie about the abuse why the need for two witnesses.

  Misconception: Children are seductive and frequently bring the abuse on themselves by their conduct.

  This notion is particularly warped, since, in effect, it blames the victim for the abuse. Children have no real concept of sexuality. They have no idea of what such activity implies or of how it will change them. They are therefore incapable of consenting to it in any meaningful way. It is the abuser, and the abuser alone, who bears the blame for the abuse.—Compare Luke 11:11, 12.

  If this is the case then why do they always ask the victim what they were wearing and did they scream etc.

  Misconception: When children disclose abuse, parents should teach them to refrain from talking about it and to 'put it behind them.'

  Who is best served if the child keeps silent about the abuse? Is it not the abuser? In fact, studies have shown that denial with emotional suppression may be the least effective way to deal with the trauma of abuse. Of the nine coping methods used by one group of adult survivors studied in England, the ones who denied, avoided, or suppressed the issue suffered the greater emotional maladjustment and distress in adult life. If you experienced a terrifying assault, would you want to be told not to talk about it? Why tell a child such a thing? Allowing the child the normal reaction to such a terrible event, such as grief, anger, mourning, will give him the opportunity eventually to put the abuse in the past.

  Oh this one is a dooozy! Do I even need to make a comment.
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  Help! Is it possible to earn a living under 40 hrs

  by Leander in

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  on a few posts here and there i've noticed some of the people on the board have been able to create their own careers without working the dreaded fulltime hours.

  i've been wanting to do this for years but i don't have a clue as to how to get started.

  i've really wanted to get into the field of real estate development.

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  Send me $2500.00 per month and I will telepathically teach you.

  Only a JW would fall for that one! You should try their site. LOL
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  A question for XJWs. . .

  by StinkyPantz in

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  how many of you are now atheists or agnostics?

  how many of you have actually converted to another organized religion?

  personally i find myself doubting anything and everything i learned about the bible and religion.

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  Personally I find myself doubting anything and everything I learned about the bible and religion. Is the bible authentic? Well, I learned all of the JW responses to that question, but since JW's are wrong, maybe the bible's not real either.

  
  I started a thread on this subject go check it out. It has my basic reasons for not giving the Bible all the credit I dont really think it deserves. Also now I am on the border of atheism/agnostisism. And if I ever were to become religious it would not be within an organization. I am completely against all form of organized religion.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29346&site=3