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  Would You Now Feel Uncomfortable Taking Blood?

  by minimus in

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  now that you know about the truth of the blood doctrine, would you feel, even a little bit uncomfortable agreeing to take a blood transfusion?

  btw, my mother asked me if i would still honor her wishes for refusal of blood.

  i told her that even though my view has changed, i would respect her decision, even if i felt that it was wrong.

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  Swan

  Scully quotes the WTBTS:

  What about gestational surrogacy? This too defiles the marriage bed. True, the fertilized egg would be a union of the husband and his wife, but it is thereafter placed in the womb of another woman and, in fact, makes her pregnant. This pregnancy is not the result of sexual relations between the surrogate woman and her own husband. Thus, her reproductive organs are now being used by someone other than her own mate. This is inconsistent with the Bible's moral principles that a woman bear a child for her own husband. (Compare Deuteronomy 23:2.)

  Wait a second. What about this account that WTBTS conveniently forgets to mention?

  Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. And she had an Egyptian maidservant whose name was Hagar. So Sarai said to Abram, "See now the LORD has restrained me from bearing children. Please, go in to my maid; perhaps I shall gain children by her." And Abram heeded the voice of Sarai. Then Sarai, Abram's wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan. So he went into Hagar and she conceived. (Genesis 16:1-4)

  And what did God say to Abram about Ishmael, the child born to him through Hagar?

  "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation." (Genesis 17:20)

  OK. So is the WTBTS saying that Abram, Hagar, and God are being "inconsistent with the Bible's moral principles that a woman bear a child for her own husband?"

  Confusing! It sounds like this is another one of those Watchtower policies hastily arrived at (like the oral and anal sex policy) without really considering all of the issues.

  Tammy
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  I can't believe they said this-An Insane Quote

  by IronGland in

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  can restitution change the ethiopian's skin?

  "from black to white he slowly turned".

  parkersburg, w. va., sept. 8. it has fallen to the lot of the rev.

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  When I read this on the Quotes site I laughed and shook my head at the WT ignorance 100 years ago.

  Though once as black as charcoal, the Rev. Mr. Draper is now white. His people say that his color was changed in answer to prayer .

  Then I realized that ignorance still continues today. I remember reading articles in the magazines not so very long ago saying that gay people could pray themselves straight. It even gave the experience of a gay man who became a JW and through faith changed himself straight and married a sister. Will people look back a hundred years from now and laugh and shake their heads at this ignorant idea?

  Just a thought.

  Tammy
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  Anyone from the Indianapolis IN area?

  by dazedgrl in

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  i was just wondering if there was anyone from around the area.

  i would love to talk to you!

  thanks, dazedgrl

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  I have JW relatives in Bloomington. That's fairly close.

  Tammy 

  Edited by - swan on 9 October 2002 16:54:33
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  PLEASE Critique Letter to Editor

  by Swan in

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  dear friends,.

  i am thinking of sending in a letter to the editor of our local paper here in oregon.

  i would really value your comments, suggestions, and ideas.

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  Thanks Dave,

  Here is the corrected version:

  Thank you for your coverage of the Bryant and Longo family murders, the Bimla Boyd case, and the child abuse lawsuit in Corvallis. All of the local stories have one thing in common -- Jehovah's Witnesses. They were all members or ex-members subjected to the bizarre church policies involving shunning, covering up child abuse, and other cult-like practices.

  There are support groups that will accept without judgment those struggling with these issues. Silent Lambs, Free Minds, and Steven Hassan's Freedom of Mind Center are just some of many resources available. These groups can help with the adjustment to normal society. It is a far better solution than to violently kill innocent family members to send them to a better place.

  I was thinking of sending this to the Salem Statesman-Journal. Do you think the Oregonian would be better?

  Tammy
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  The Transsexual They Wouldn't Let Pee

  by minimus in

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  in a congregation some years ago, the elders had a major issue to deal with.

  a transexxual woman became interested in studying the bible with the witnesses.

  she was invited to go to the meetings.

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  Good point Beck. Where I live they have restrooms along the freeways about every 50 miles or so. These rest areas all have signs outside the toilet saying that an attendant of the opposite sex may enter the restroom to help a disabled person to pee. For example, a husband could accompany his wheelchair bound wife into the ladies room to provide her with the necessary assistance she needs. This is just common sense. A poddy is a poddy and when you've got to go you've got to go. The elders at that KH act like their restrooms are some sort of sex club. They need to get their minds out of the toilet.

  Tammy
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  Would You Now Feel Uncomfortable Taking Blood?

  by minimus in

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  now that you know about the truth of the blood doctrine, would you feel, even a little bit uncomfortable agreeing to take a blood transfusion?

  btw, my mother asked me if i would still honor her wishes for refusal of blood.

  i told her that even though my view has changed, i would respect her decision, even if i felt that it was wrong.

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  YES! I would still feel uncomfortable based on the fact that that's how I was raised, but if a doctor told me I needed it, I would trust medical science and do it anyway. There are lots of medical treatments I feel similarly about, but the doctor's advice has much more weight with me than my own squeemishness. I would also feel uncomfortable having a tube stuck down my throat, but I would do it if the doctor thought that was best too. Better than the alternative.

  Tammy
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  PLEASE Critique Letter to Editor

  by Swan in

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  dear friends,.

  i am thinking of sending in a letter to the editor of our local paper here in oregon.

  i would really value your comments, suggestions, and ideas.

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  InquiryMan, yes, they are a cult in Europe. Here in America they are reluctant to use the word cult in describing any group, but the JWs definitely have cult-like practices. Maybe it is time we started to use that word here too. It might warn those inside. I know I would have appreciated hearing it called a cult more when I was starting to have doubts. It would have allowed me to question things even more. Does anyone know what effect the cult label has had in Europe based on what the xJWs there have said?

  Joy, the paper won't print the links, but it will print the names of the organizations.

  Tammy
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  The Transsexual They Wouldn't Let Pee

  by minimus in

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  in a congregation some years ago, the elders had a major issue to deal with.

  a transexxual woman became interested in studying the bible with the witnesses.

  she was invited to go to the meetings.

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  Just as with vaccinations, organ transplants, and blood transfusions, the WTBTS makes a moral issue out of what is a medical issue. Once again the GB knows better than the doctors and medical professionals who base their knowledge on years of scientific research and evidence.
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  PLEASE Critique Letter to Editor

  by Swan in

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  dear friends,.

  i am thinking of sending in a letter to the editor of our local paper here in oregon.

  i would really value your comments, suggestions, and ideas.

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  Swan

  I didn't call them a cult per se, I only said they had cult-like practices. Killing to send the dead ones to a better place, for instance, is reminisent of the Jim Jones cult and the Hale-Bopp comet cult in So. California. So is the word cult-like appropriate here? What would be a better word?

  I tried to tone this version down some. Here it is again without the deprogram reference and it makes mention of the groups. What do you think?

  Thank you for your coverage of the Bryant and Longo family murders, the Bimla Boyd case, and the child abuse lawsuit in Corvallis. All of the local stories have one thing in common -- Jehovah's Witnesses. They were all members or ex-members subjected to the bizarre church policies involving shunning, covering up child abuse, and other cult-like practices.

  There are support groups that will accept without judgment those struggling with these issues. Silent Lambs, Free Minds, and Steven Hassan's Freedom of Mind Center are just some of many resources available. These groups can help with the adjustment to normal society. It is a far better solution than to violently kill innocent family members to send them to a better place.

  Edited by - Swan on 8 October 2002 2:35:43
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  News From Circuit Assembly

  by Searchin50 in

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  my sister called this morning at the crack of dawn, to inform me of some info.. from the circuit assembly over this past weekend.i suppose this is new light.

  although she did not put it in those words.seems there is a new do in our .

  neck of the woods, he gave the public talk sunday and i quote".

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  Realist, you wrote:

  i was talking to an very sincere JW the other day and he told me the UN will attack religion world wide in the very near future ...according to WT that is the only prophecy that wasn't fullfilled yet.

  I believe that, but I predict that it will only be those NGOs that didn't return their library books.

  Tammy