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  Q&A with panorama interviewer at 2?

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  question.

  does anyone know what satalite channel will be showing the bbc interview with the panorama reporter this afternoon?

  apparently it starts in about half an hour.

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  radio five discussion on panorama

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/ .

  check out this live radio link now

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  true lies

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  the old line the organisation uses regarding looking at apostate literature is that it has clever and twisted reasoning that will poison minds.

  no matter how you argue that the truth should withstand critism they won't see it.

  the evidence is people read the stuff and leave.

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  Afghan women under the Taliban

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  just found this site.

  http://mosaic.echonyc.com/~onissues/su98goodwin.html.

  it is pretty shocking stuff.. .

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  other side of the coin

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  perhaps i will be attacked for this thread, i am not sure.i am as shocked as can be by the terrorist atrosity perpetrated today.i have watched all afternoon and evening and still can't quite take it in.. i have heard the people involved described as evil cowards in the west.i accept this statement and as i have aleady stated deplore the action but i feel that the media only shows one side of the coin.. the pilots that commited suicide were certainly not cowards.they believed in their cause enough to give their lives for it.these, along with the many that orchestrated this event put a lot of time, money and sacrifice in to this.. this is the part of the story i am unclear about.this is the part which is not being explained - at least not to my feeble understanding.. why do so many of the middle eastern countries hate the west as much as they do.sure iraq has good reason but what about the others.. there are two sides to every story and as much as i hate what has happened i wonder what theirs is.why do they dance on the streets now?

  america has bombed countries.in serbia to get rid of milosivich.they must have hated america then but this was out of a lack of information.. i do not believe evil exists - evil acts but not evil as an entity.it is all too easy when asked why atrosity is performed to simply answer - the person was evil.there has got to be more to it than that.

  what brought about these murderous acts.was it the kind of mind control that was perpetrated on us as witnesses.after all, the witnesses would take delight in the coming armageddon when billons of people will die.. is this evidence of a similar condition?.

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  UK can get Dateline too

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  i noticed yesterday as i flicked through the freebie channels that a new one had been added.its called cnbc and what happened to be up next - dateline.i only have a basic ntl cable package.i guess you can probably get it on sky digital as well.so us brits don't have to miss the show after all.

  hoorah!

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  mind control

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  i just watched a louis theroux show.he was investigating charismatic figures who charge big bucks to help people "believe".i understand that it is good to have confidence in oneself - to be positive.saying "i can do this" to yourself like a hypnotic mantra and this will increase your chances.. they take it a stage further though.this guy was running a seminar for people who wanted to be millionares.of course it cost a lot of money to get into it.. having been a witness the techniques he used creeped me out.we have all experienced a particularly good salesman that has somehow made us buy something we didn't need but he was something else.he had a power over people.the way he spoke, the direct eye contact - he had obviously honed his craft of manipulating and controlling.he put others under a spell.he said people should put away their scepticism that was holding them back and just believe in him and what he was telling them.a sceptical attitude was a bad thing.they should have faith.alarm bells were ringing for me.. there was a new language that was developed.the language of positivity.people would say "no challenge" instead of "no problem".they did not say how they felt, they said how they wanted to feel.if their leg got broke the'd say "i feel great".this seemed to me reminiscent of the programming that we had as witnesses where what we thought and what we felt were disconnected.surely lying to yourself can't be a healthy thing.. what struck me most was how, with study and practice how easy it is to exert power and control over others.. evangelical religions use exactly these same techniques.without the religious context the same effects were being manifest.there was no mention of jesus but these guys were being controlled in that same kind of way - played like an instrument to the tune of one man.it was very cultic.at the end everyone was queing up to hand over five thousand dollars for the next seminar.

  what is this power?

  why does it weave such magic?

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  in the beginning...

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  i just started reading the first few postings on this forum on pages 278 and 277.it was interesting to see how it all began.. the first messages were very guarded.noone knew what was to be deemed acceptable discussion.simon mentioned barring some apostate subjects.. it appeared at face value that all were current witnesses but i don't think this was true.. what was the real intent of this board at the beginning?

  was it as innocent as simply allowing witnesses to discuss doctrine etc or was it to help witnesses see that their religion was false.. were there hidden agendas at first?

  how many that claimed to be a witness was really just trying to gain the trust of others so as to help them think.to all that did and still do i have much respect and admiration for you all.. the board has evolved.when i read those first messages i was shocked by how polite and sensitive everyones comments were.this is not the case so much now.all the same there is freedom of thought and expression and this remains a very healthy thing.

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  paranoid android

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  did you used to get people in your cong that were more sensitive to the demonic influences than others.some people just used to get bad feelings about an innocious piece of music.a tears for fears song did it for one of my old friends.then there are others that sense a satanic presence around inanimate objects.. satan was everywhere and in everything.kate bush was a witch - so was the girl out of fleetwood mac.some records had secret messages that if you tilted your head and turned three times said "worship satan" .

  there probably are such messages in metal music but they used to be so paranoid it reached ridiculous levels.

  "don't you hear it - listen again but slow it down more" .

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  when is enough enough

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  there is a fight going on.it is great to watch it.the arch enemy borg is to get its comeupance.the rebel fleet has a new weapon which will topple the empire.too many sci-fi analogies.....yea sorry about that.. i hear about all the work being done to highlight child abuse,the blood issue and disfellowshipping.there is picketing and programmes being made on national television.it gets my adrenalin running to think about it.i qeustion myself - how much is a desire for this religion to change and how much is pure blood lust.. when will i be satisfied?.

  if the witnesses do change their policy on child abuse then there is still the blood issue to focus on.if they change that then disfellowshipping becomes the primary concern.if by some miracle they saw the light and dropped this as well - what then?.

  will i be content then or will i want more?.

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