Posts by Saename

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"Belief" and "Faith" are Simply Emotional Terms for Ideas and Opinions (long post)

by xjwsrock in

this is my current bottom-line conclusion after starting to see through the jw game 3 to 4 years ago and going through my own process of waking up.

it helps to write it down and put it "out there".

i hope it helps or resonates with you in your own personal process.. basically if i were given 10 seconds to say something to an active jehovah's witness that i cared about it would be the headline above.

Saename

xjwsrock - Any communication would need to be direct and to multiple eyewitnesses at the same time to eliminate the possibility of hallucination, schizophrenia, etc.

Actually... there are documented cases of people sharing the same or similar delusions. You can read this Wikipedia article about it. It is possible for multiple individuals to have the same hallucination or delusion—unfortunately.

Still, a normal (read: real) God would consider what you have just said. For instance, why would He allegedly inspire the Bible if He did not preserve the original manuscripts? (I realise this example is not exactly what you are talking about, but it still touches on unreasonable communication of a divine with humans.)

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The Shunning truth is now out...

by babygirl30 in

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i have been df'd for 9yrs as of july 31 (yay me!).

so as i have written about previously in other posts, my whole family (parents + sister) made the choice to treat me as if i do not exist, and i have accepted it.

last summer they made a blatant show of it as our family reunion, in that they would walk right by me and not say one word...prompting our extended family to question their actions.

Saename

Quotes from Watchtower were not enough...?

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anyone else had this following convention

by freeandcontent in

so my mam visited today.

she recently went to convention in north east england, newcastle i think they still have them at.

before she left she said (this is her exact words btw) "you have put me in a difficult position and i can't come to see you anymore".. she told me that as i live with my partner and we are unmarried that she can't visit anymore.

Saename

Ah the rain...

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anyone else had this following convention

by freeandcontent in

so my mam visited today.

she recently went to convention in north east england, newcastle i think they still have them at.

before she left she said (this is her exact words btw) "you have put me in a difficult position and i can't come to see you anymore".. she told me that as i live with my partner and we are unmarried that she can't visit anymore.

Saename

freeandcontent - Anyway I am off to play with sand.

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Something wrong with the content of past threads? Seems to be lost...

by stuckinarut2 in

hi simon,.

firstly, thankyou for this great site and the community it supports.. i know it must be a huge job to keep the site active!.

i noticed something today when i pasted a link to a past thread into a current topic.. it was one i started 8 months back called "eagerly awaiting the death of billions" (or something like that!).

Saename

stuckinarut2 - Firstly, THANKYOU for this great site and the community it supports.
I know it must be a huge job to keep the site active!

[Sound of a Jehovah's Witness detector going off... BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP...]

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Do JWs believe they will be the only people saved at the "end"?

by LaurenM in

the answer posted on jw.org: "no.

many millions who lived in centuries past and who weren’t jehovah’s witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation.

additionally, many now living may yet begin to serve god, and they too will gain salvation.

Saename

Jamex Mixon, let's start with the fact that a normal God would destroy Satan right after Adam and Eve's sin (not that they actually lived anyway...) Like... are we actually supposed to believe that God didn't destroy Satan because He was afraid (er... God is afraid...?) that His other subjects would rebel as well...?

Right... Satan is destroyed because God is stronger. Adam and Eve die because Satan is wrong and God is right. Therefore, God's angels knowingly rebel because they know that God is right and is stronger and thus can destroy them within seconds.

For now, I will leave the analogy of the rebellious student in a class alone... (You know which one... the student rebels against the teacher and stuff...)

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Child sexual abuses accusations in Spain

by sp74bb in

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spanish branch starts to be nervous since a few days.

clear and detailed child abuse accusations has been posted on spanish forum:.

http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?28145-la-marikamaladealella-y-sus-cómplices&p=513578#post513578.

Saename

Is some Spanish organisation like the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse that is in Australia going to be investigating the Watchtower policies in Spain? (Note that I am not asking whether the ARC will be investigating the Spanish branch. I am asking whether some Spanish organisation that takes care of such policies in Spain will be investigating Watchtower. I hope I was understood...)

Thanks in advance for any response.

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Inbox Does Not Work

by Saename in

i recently noticed that i have a new message from someone in my inbox.

here's a screenshot for you guys to make sure we're on the same page:.

so now that you know what inbox is......... the problem is that when i click on the letter icon surrounded by the green bubble of wisdom and life and good and bad and... wait, no... er... anyway, when i click on it to see the message, this is what i get:.

Saename

Yeah, it works! Thanks for fixing it, Simon.

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what new light is there? Is there a place to view new understandings?

by average joe in

i keep seeing new light everywhere its hard to keep up with the latest is there a spot where someone is keeping track of it all for everyone to see?.

Saename

Watchtower publications, broadcasting, and letters sent to congregations are the media of communicating the new light. And the announcements on assemblies.

I think?

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Just realized they changed maybe the most important scripture in the bible.

by Crazyguy in

i just read the scripture then went and checked in thier older bible and it read the same so i check the greek interlinear and yes they changed john 3:16 .

the verse reads "all who believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life" the cult version says "exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life".. so not only do they say one must exercise faith meaning having to work for it but also they changed should not perish but having everlasting life to might not be destroyed again making a caveat where one does not exist.

just to add to the point verse 18 in both bibles says the one having faith is not judged, totally blowing up thier version of 16 but of course they change 18 to say exercising faith too but it makes little difference, since it says not judged.

Saename

steve2 - It would be revealing to see what, if anything, the organization has specifically said about the rationale for its unique rendering.

I assume they would just cite Paul's words—something to the effect of, "Faith without works is dead." They'd say that since Paul believed it, Jesus evidently must have believed that as well. It's not like they were evidently two separate persons, right?

Right...

Finkelstein - The leaders of this organization have always said they were the " only " true and correct preachers of the Gospel, faithfully loyal to God and guided by his holy spirit.

Er... no...? Where did you get that from? Everyone knows that the organisation have always said they were evidently the only true and correct preachers of the "gospel," that they were evidently faithfully loyal to God, and also that they were evidently guided by his holy spirit.

Sorry... I evidently couldn't resist.