Posts by Saename

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After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

by quincemyles in

after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

Saename

punkofnice - That's very Christian of you to be polite.....

Ha. Very funny. I'm an atheist.

And, no, that was not ad hominem. I don't think you know how ad hominem works. Here, I'll give you an example:

You're an idiot. Therefore, you're wrong.

But I'm not saying the above nor anything resembling it. I'm saying that there is clear evidence for the *historical* Jesus (not the christological Jesus.) The fact that you didn't find any suggests you haven't been looking for it or you're mentally blind. There's a difference. (See? I'm not saying that you're mentally blind and therefore you can't see the evidence—that would be ad hominem. I'm saying you don't see the evidence and therefore you either weren't looking for it or you're mentally blind...)

But on a side note, there is a freaking reason why there is not a single scholar who is employed at a university or college who teaches any relative field to Christianity and who doesn't believe that Jesus existed.

And if you're so lazy that you don't want to look for evidence for the *historical* Jesus, here I give you a two-part article that discusses both sides in great detail:

Evidence for the Historical Jesus Part 1

Evidence for the Historical Jesus Part 2

And if you're still not convinced, then read some books written by actual scholars. Then come back and talk about the evidence for or against Jesus.

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Trolley cart "witnessing" is getting ridiculous

by oppostate in

i really fail to see how much actual "witnessing" is occurring with the trolley carts.publishers, usually pioneers, just stand or sit there not engaging anyone and count their time.. the only thing i notice that it's accomplishing is brand exposure for jw.0rg so the public is exposed to the logo and literature/poster card headlines.. take for example this "evening" witnessing by a pioneer elder while on summer holiday/vacation.. .

is this not a wth kinda moment when you consider the years of slaving, knocking on doors, business territory and bible studies we had to keep performing so we weren't branded a "weak" publisher?.

Saename

stan livedeath - is it ok to count time if a dub sticks a jayworg sign in his front window at home ? or--how about a jayworg bumper sticker ? count time whilev driving. or even when the car is parked for hours.

Soon, my brother. We need to wait on Jehovah. Jehovah will make this special provision and privilege. For now, just think how wonderful our preaching will be in the future when Jehovah will finally [wake up and (?)] provide us with jayword bumper stickers and signs to put in our front windows at home. Then, we will be able to say that, "evidently," the prophecy of Matthew 24.14 is finally being fulfilled. Ah, our organisation is truly advancing and going ahead of all other organisations and religions!!

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A Womans Role In The bOrg

by pale.emperor in

i just read a thread somewhere on here that someone has been accepted to bethel service along with his wife.

his wife has, of course, been assigned to work in the laundry room.

which compels me to write this little post.. now, i dont consider myself a "feminist" as such, but i definitely believe in equality.

Saename

What if this female god wore spanx...?

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Interesting find in the bible last night

by Crazyguy in

so i was reading genesis chapter 10 and 11 to see how it explains the man who supposedly is the offspring of noah and he and his offspring become the nation known as egypt.

in some bibles they actually call him egypt.

well as i was reading chapter 10 i noticed something.

Saename

sir82 is a bit mistaken here... The first 11 chapters of Genesis are not "a mishmash of a bunch of separate . . . oral traditions." The whole Pentateuch is. The modern scholarly consensus is that the Torah was not written in part or in whole by Moses or by any other single person. It is a composition of different written sources (not oral traditions) which then were based on oral traditions.

There is a hypothesis called the Documentary Hypothesis which states that the Pentateuch is composed of four separate written sources named J, E, D, and P. However, scholars today have varying views in regards to that hypothesis. Some say that there were more sources, some disagree with the dating of these sources, some say that J and E were not separate sources, and on and on it goes... Basically, scholars have different views, but everyone agrees that the whole Pentateuch is a composition of different sources.

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I got my Bethel Application approved, I start in September

by Quarterback in

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friends

well it took awhile.

i've downsized.

got rid of my bmw.

Saename

Please... God... let this be sarcasm...

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After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).

by quincemyles in

after jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.

the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.

jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.

Saename

punkofnice - I still haven't found actual evisdence outside of the Bible for this man. despite these years of searching.

If you're talking about the historical Jesus who was an apocalyptic Jewish preacher named Yeshua who lived in the first century and claimed to be the messiah but who didn't perform any miracles, then I don't think you've been searching for years. Then you're just blind. If, however, you're talking about the Jesus of the Bible who did perform miracles, then there's no evidence or any reason to believe in that myth.

Ruby456 - so far quincemyles' thesis is plausible imo because he has answered the objections raised

As far as I'm concerned I already debunked his hypothesis. And he didn't answer my objections. I don't see how that makes it plausible.

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Two Sparrows

by The Searcher in

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Saename

Sorry guys... I don't get it.

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Stupid things happen - Bethelite guarantees 16-year old visitor-girls bethel-admission

by TheWonderofYou in

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just watching this video about a bethel member, single again - gives advice at morning worship.he tries to convince young 16 year old girls who visit bethel and eat in the cafeteria to marry him.he offers the full blessings as wife of a prince in the new world and gives arguments that speakfor a fast decision... shocking stupidy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4udiaarpay.

in another video of ex-bethelite (how women are treated) a bethel elder is mentioned who talked to brothers at the table and gave advice abouth marriage and said that it would be the best to marry a women when is as young and pretty as possible, (at 8:45) so you have the possibilty to train her and to mode her in to what you want and get her used in the roles you set for her..... other bethelits made big errors and married older women 24,25.women that would have their own concepts of what bethel or marriage should be.

Saename

If a guy in his mid-twenties dates a teenager, there is something wrong with him. Granted, this does not apply to all cases, but in this context... Well, let's just say that this is sick.

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Reinstated and then fade

by Zeds Dead in

i'm a man - d'fd for 2.5 years now and divorced.

find it hard to date girls out here only due to always having this secret i carry with me that i was once a jw and the thought of telling a girl one day why my family don't acknowledge me as even alive.. recently been thinking of trying to get reinstated and then do a quick fade as i cant go back to the whole jw stuff.. easier said than done and was turned down twice by elders after an immediate attempt 2 years ago.. my motivation for trying would be 1.

) to see if family make contact and 2) play the last hand in their game and give the middle finger.. interested in viewpoints?.

Saename

If they can't accept you when you're not officially a Jehovah's Witness—even if you're not a bad or immoral person—why should they matter to you? "Because blood"? Blood relations are random. They only have meaning when there's acceptance and love. Otherwise, they're meaningless. (Sorry if it seems a bit harsh to someone; I was invited to share my viewpoint.)

I'd have to agree with just fine. Move along. Shun them back. Write them a letter explaining why you feel obliged to shun them.

When—if—you'll find the right person, you'll see that she'll accept you no matter what. People are better than you may (I'm not totally sure whether you do) think. When you tell her about your past, she'll understand. She won't hate you. She'll hate your Jehovah's Witness family because they won't accept you. There's no reason to hold back who you once were. Embrace it. Live with it. Move along.

Edit: Just saw what LifesNotOver said. I'd have to agree that it's better to tell her about your past matter-of-factly and when you know her a bit and the time is right.

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Education or propaganda?

by Anders Andersen in

looking for some material to post on facebook or at least share with my wife to somewhat inoculate her mind before the convention this weekend.. found this gem...it's as if the writers are apostates reasoning against the tactics used at this years convention.....(probably old news to many here....quite new for me).. the cunning propagandist loves such shortcuts—especially those that short-circuit rational thought.

propaganda encourages this by agitating the emotions, by exploiting insecurities, by capitalizing on the ambiguity of language, and by bending rules of logic.

as history bears out, such tactics can prove all too effective.. [...].

Saename

This article describes the organisation quite well. Accordingly, as I was reading it, I thought how hilarious and ridiculous it would be if it were from a Watchtower publication. Imagine my surprise at the end...