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  Which was the best century to be born in?

  by defender of truth in

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  2. friends

  http://www.businessinsider.com/10-reasons-2016-is-the-best-time-to-be-alive-2016-8/#1-there-are-much-fewer-hungry-people-in-the-world-1.

  is the world getting better?.

  in which century would you rather have been born, given the choice?

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  If I could choose to be born into a rich family, it would be Victorian England. I love this era, but it wasn't as good for poor people.
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  Is This How You Promote Insecurity in Relationships?

  by Saename in

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  it's time for some ridiculous entertainment, guys.

  today my sister showed me a video by pewdiepie in which he reacted with his girlfriend to this article.

  it was really funny, i have to admit, because he was basically criticising the article.

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  Saename

  It's time for some ridiculous entertainment, guys. Today my sister showed me a video by PewDiePie in which he reacted with his girlfriend to this article. It was really funny, I have to admit, because he was basically criticising the article. The article is entitled, "33 Ways Your Boyfriend Is Micro-Cheating (And Totally Getting Away With It.)"

  Technically, it's a stupid article. A more suitable title would be, "33 Ways You're Feeling Insecure in Your Relationship (And Need to Grow Up.)"

  Here's one of the "33 ways," which I find extremely entertaining:

  31. Following up with a "nice to meet you" message unnecessarily.

  And here's the video by PewDiePie:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh8veIDL2os

  So, although, the article is stupid and written by someone emotionally immature (albeit some of the "ways" are reasonable), it's still a lot of fun to read. It made me laugh. Some things are just so stupid they're funny.
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  Update to UK “Child Safeguarding Policy”

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a known poster on this site (anon) says:.

  i have just received a text from an elder i've known for decades in my circuit who has some sympathy for my feelings and who is aware of the arc, the uk charity commission, etc., etc.

  here it is verbatim, and my reply.

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  Saename

  Richard Oliver - OrphanCrow. Then in the same light who are to condemn people who want to JWs or even condemn Watchtower. What position are you in to do that.
  

  God damn it, stop with this idiotic apologetics.

  If OrphanCrow were to harm children and/or adults either physically or mentally, we would be in the position to condemn him. If the Watchtower were to harm children and/or adults either physically or mentally, we would be in the position to condemn them. In my opinion, the Watchtower is indeed harming both children and adults; therefore, I am in the position to condemn this organisation.

  Richard Oliver - If 2 separate governments and their experts, find that this policy is sufficient to protect children and comply with the laws of the land, will people accept it or will they keep using the policy to demand changes to Watchtower?
  

  If both government organisations accept the changes, it does not necessitate that we do so as well. In the 1900s, the American government was decisively against the black population by discriminating them. The fact that it was legal to discriminate against black people did not mean that the public could not object to those laws. My point is that all of us are in the position to challenge the Watchtower policies, regardless of whether the government accepts them or not.

  Richard Oliver - But Watchtower UK has made it clear that women can be involved in a JC, though they wouldn't have a vote in the matter of what actions to take, but women can be used to protect the interest of the child. In the police it states.

  "If the child expresses to the elders discomfort in discussing the matter in the presence of a parent, and the parent agrees, then the child may be gently told that he or she may choose an adult companion other than a parent, with whom he or she feels comfortable speaking about the matter, to be present during the discussion."

  So even though a woman may not be in the discussions for if someone would be DF or not they would be there as a comfort to the victim and to protect them emotionally.

  These paragraphs are even more idiotic. When did the Watchtower make it clear that women can be involved in the Judicial Committee? They have never made that clear. Your quote from 2017 policy says nothing about women being able to be involved in the Judicial Committee. Let me explain.

  Firstly, women cannot be present with the child in the room with the elders. If we are to take the wording at face value, which is how usually legal documents are arranged, it is only one adult companion—either male or female—who can be present with the child. Secondly, if a female adult companion is chosen by the child to be in the room with the elders, she will not be able to converse with the elders in regards to what actions should be taken. She will be there only to interact with the child so as to make her or him comfortable with the elders. Ultimately, the elders are the only ones to think about what decisions to make and to eventually make those decisions. Women are not able to be involved in the process, and this is what the Australian Royal Commission has objected to specifically. Thirdly, a child will be able to choose an adult companion only if the child makes it clear to the elders that he or she is uncomfortable in the room with the parent(s). It is highly problematic because a child—and I emphasise the word "child" for specific purpose—will feel uncomfortable to even raise the issue that he or she is uncomfortable with the parent(s).

  Conclusively, my opinion is that this policy is a lot of bullshit and a lot of nothing. It makes the very same errors the previous policies (2012 and 2016—albeit I am not sure whether the 2016 policy was applied in the UK) made. Children are still left unprotected, especially since the parents in each congregation will still be uninformed that a child predator is in the congregation. This 2017 policy says that parents will be informed that they should look over their children when a specific adult is nearby; however, the parents will not be informed that this specific adult is actually a child predator. Everyone has the right to know that for the sake of betterment of the society.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Saename

  Richard Oliver, you have asked the question what we would do in case of child sexual abuse if there were low-age-of-consent laws in the region. You are making a big mistake by assuming that if sex occurs between legal adults, then no abuse can happen. This is wrong. Let me explain.

  It does not matter what age the victim is. If in Angola, which has the age of consent set at 12, a man has sex with a 14-year-old female teenager, the authorities can still arrest the perpetrator. The age of consent would indeed determine that no child sexual abuse occurred; however, if the teenager did not want to have sex, then it would be adult sexual abuse. The perpetrator would still be guilty—it's just that he wouldn't be guilty of child sexual abuse but of adult sexual abuse because the teenager did not want to have sex. If the teenager did want to have sex, then there is no problem because no abuse took place according to Angola's laws—unless the man started hitting her (if Angola does not allow for physical abuse, of which I am not sure) or did something else wrong, or unless the teenager withdrew her consent, then it would become abuse. (Yes, if you agree to have sex with someone, but during the act you decide not to have sex after all, you can withdraw your consent. In such a case, if the man does not get back, it is still sexual abuse.)

  It seems to me, Richard Oliver, that you are purposefully muddying the waters to shift the blame from the WTS to the secular government. Either that or you are trying to pull the wool over our eyes by asking a misleading question.
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  OK who threw the stink bomb in here?

  by Thisismein1972 in

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  2. humour

  come on a believer, everyone knows it was you so own up to it and teacher will not be cross!.

  this is exactly what seems to be happening, a believer runs in drops the stink bomb and runs out again...only to pear around the door when he/she deems it safe to do so.

  😅😅😅.

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  dubstepped - I respectfully ask that you take your bull-iefs elsewhere because we've already heard it all and our stances are set. So why don't you keep your beliefs to yourself. TY.
  

  Nooooo! Reading A Believer's posts is too entertaining! How else will I find recreation to indulge myself in if he leaves the forum? He's way too amusing!
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  So my brother called me last night...

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my older brother is studying with the witnesses.

  he was raised in a jw household like we all were but he never committed to it.

  he stopped attending meetings at 18yo, made a lot of bad decisions in his life and now, at 35yo is having a bible study.

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  Holy hell... Is it possible to be that unaware of logical fallacies? Even when I was being brainwashed I could still detect circular logic and other fallacies. I would always avoid those even when I was in the organisation. So strange. Sooo straaange...
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  What's Expected in Field Service?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do all potential converts have to take part in field service before baptism?

  and do new members generally try to bring in their friends and family or do they generally keep their religion to themselves?

  what do pioneers do if they're going door to door and chance on someone they know or work with in their personal lives?

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  You ask very interesting questions. I will answer each of them based on my own experiences that I had in the area that I live in. Keep in mind that this may not necessarily apply to other regions/countries. I live in Ontario, Canada.

  Do all potential converts have to take part in field service before baptism?

  Yes. Before you get baptised, you need to become an unbaptised publisher. It's a stage before baptism, and you need to show that you are ready to be committed to the organisation. Hence, you preach and apply the JW teachings to your own life already before baptism. (This answer applies to every single country.)

  And do new members generally try to bring in their friends and family or do they generally keep their religion to themselves?
  

  New members are encouraged to preach to anyone, so that obviously includes your friends and family. If they aren't interested, you may also be encouraged to cut all ties with them, but that depends on your congregation. My congregation never encouraged me to stop talking to my family; on the contrary, they often told me that good servants of Jehovah need to be able to keep in contact with their family members and balance this with the JW life (preaching, studying, meetings, etc.) However, they did discourage me from having non-JW friends. They were understanding since I was in high school, but I was expected to treat my classmates as acquaintances, not as friends. I never got baptised, too (I was an unbaptised publisher—still probably am listed as one), so they weren't too pushy about this, but I have no doubt at all that they would "encourage" me to lose all my non-JW friends if I ever got actually baptised.

  What do Pioneers do if they're going door to door and chance on someone they know or work with in their personal lives?

  Pioneers are expected to treat them as they would any other householder—that is, they are supposed to hand them a magazine, read a Bible verse, have a brief discussion about it, and then ask if they can come back next week to continue their conversation. The same applies to non-pioneers and unbaptised publishers. If I ever encountered a friend from school (which never happened to me as I live far away from the school that I attended), I was supposed to talk to them about the Bible no matter what. However, elders in my area were always understanding about it, so while they did encourage us to keep the conversation going, they also understood if we ever were too embarrassed to actually do so. However, after one such encounter, the elders would usually talk to you about it and encourage you to love Jehovah more—that is, to preach to even your colleagues. If you remained too embarrassed, you could be labeled as spiritually weak in the eyes of the congregation. That would not end too well.

  Has this ever happened to you? What would you say?

  No, that has never happened to me. However, I did once preach in my high school to my friends about the Memorial of Jesus Christ. This is a big celebration (of Jesus' death) for every Jehovah's Witness, so naturally, I was "encouraged" to preach about it in my school. I did it with a few people (a limited number) and even brought one friend to the Memorial, but I was too embarrassed to do it ever again. Needless to say, I never actually did it again. Young people should never be told to do something like that! (I did, however, lie—or more like suggested—to the Jehovah's Witnesses in my congregation that I continued to preach in my school so that they wouldn't ostracize me or label me as spiritually weak.)

  And are JWs still pushing bible study?
  

  Technically they are. You may just not notice it. They did change their technique a bit, I think. Today, they just start with handing a magazine to the householder, and if s/he accepts it, two Jehovah's Witnesses ask whether they can come back next week to continue their discussion (along with the magazine, they would introduce a topic to talk about.) Eventually, those 5-minute weekly visits turn into Bible studies. It happens gradually now. In the past, they were more straightforward with it. (However, they do have special campaigns during which they are encouraged to start a Bible study immediately.)

  They used to ask for donations for their magazines years ago. Who pays for the magazines they distribute?
  

  Where I live, they don't ask for donations anymore. The magazines (and everything else) is paid for by those who already are members. They usually donate monthly. Additionally, they ask for donations those that they are already acquainted with (such as non-JW friends or family members that they have Bible discussions with or weekly visits that I already mentioned before), but they never ask strangers.
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  If gossiping was a D.Fing offence how many in your congro would be D.Fed?

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there goes at least half the elders wife's alot of the publishers.

  karter.

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  The congregations I attended were never known for gossiping. But I suppose it's the Canadian nature, ha!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd_R79Ad6o
  
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  Beth Shan - Rutherford's House of Security - IMAGES

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought i would supplement this thread with some new images of beth shan.. location:.

  [url=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg.html][img]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg[/img][/url].

  1939, during construction:.

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  Edit: Yeah... Got my answers, so I'll just remove the questions.
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  Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

  my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

  one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

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  That makes sense now. Thanks, David_Jay.