Aw, come on, you left out my Atheism's Occult Roots thread.
NoStonecutters
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A quick Saturday Morning Survey - To believe or not to believe
by likeabird ini don't know about you, but i love saturday mornings...now that crawling out of bed on a cold november morning to go and knock on doors is no longer on the agenda.
does that sense of being free ever grow old?
i hope not any time soon at least.. this week we've had quite a few atheist vs believer threads along with speculation on what the actual numbers are on jwn :.
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The Vatican New World Order
by Infowarrior inwe know that the watchtower claims to be seeking accurate truth regarding biblical propheicies regarding the last days and the willd beast and the "world that is laying in the power of the wicked one".. the watchtower inisists it is the faithful and discreet slave who is providing needed spiritual food at the proper time.
however on close examination, is this really the case ?
or is the watchtower, like all other western corporate organizations in the modern western world, simply distracting, subverting, and hiding the truth from thier christian sheep ?.
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NoStonecutters
Chariklo, from my understanding, the Chruch was somewhat divided on issues surrounding Mary. St. Thomas Aquinas was more reserved about it while others called for veneration of Mary. Mary was scantily mentioned during the first few hundred years of the Church. But like I said, there were no official dogmas until much later on.
Generally, the Orthodox Church rejects both the Immaculate Conception (not to be confused with virgin birth) and the Assumption dogmas. Asking Mary for intervention requires one to believe in the Assumption dogma.
Infowarrior, here are a couple of good reads on the infiltration of the RCC: Judaism and the Vatican (http://www.scribd.com/doc/98141388/Judaism-and-the-Vatican-1967-Vicomte-Leon-de-Poncins) and The Plot Against the Church (http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/). These are things Alex Jones won't tell you about.
Nambo, I agree, Jerusalem is the city on seven hills. Rome cannot be the whore of Babylon.
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The Vatican New World Order
by Infowarrior inwe know that the watchtower claims to be seeking accurate truth regarding biblical propheicies regarding the last days and the willd beast and the "world that is laying in the power of the wicked one".. the watchtower inisists it is the faithful and discreet slave who is providing needed spiritual food at the proper time.
however on close examination, is this really the case ?
or is the watchtower, like all other western corporate organizations in the modern western world, simply distracting, subverting, and hiding the truth from thier christian sheep ?.
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NoStonecutters
Another thing to consider, infowarrior, is that the modern occult monetary system is not rooted in the Vatican, like some claim, but in London. During the Reformation, Kabbalism and Secret Societies swept England. Even Queen Elizabeth took up membership in a secret society. The Crown, under influence of Kabbalah, wields the real power in this world. Fractional reserve banking is the vehicle by which the Crown rules.
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The Vatican New World Order
by Infowarrior inwe know that the watchtower claims to be seeking accurate truth regarding biblical propheicies regarding the last days and the willd beast and the "world that is laying in the power of the wicked one".. the watchtower inisists it is the faithful and discreet slave who is providing needed spiritual food at the proper time.
however on close examination, is this really the case ?
or is the watchtower, like all other western corporate organizations in the modern western world, simply distracting, subverting, and hiding the truth from thier christian sheep ?.
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NoStonecutters
I was reading some Catholic books last night and learned that Maryology, specifically the controversial dogmas of the Immaculate Conception and her alleged Annunciation, are not requirements to be a member of the RCC. Interestingly, though, these dogmas were not official until the 19th century, well after the Kabbalah had infiltrated the RCC, although before the Judaizing of Vatican II.
Many traditional Catholics beleive thier Church was corrupted shortly after the 1,000-year millennial reign, which ended shortly before the Reformation. If anyone had any doubts about this, the Second Vatican Council (radical modernization of Catholic dogma) was the proof.
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The Vatican New World Order
by Infowarrior inwe know that the watchtower claims to be seeking accurate truth regarding biblical propheicies regarding the last days and the willd beast and the "world that is laying in the power of the wicked one".. the watchtower inisists it is the faithful and discreet slave who is providing needed spiritual food at the proper time.
however on close examination, is this really the case ?
or is the watchtower, like all other western corporate organizations in the modern western world, simply distracting, subverting, and hiding the truth from thier christian sheep ?.
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NoStonecutters
Infowarrior, ironic that the Vatican-dunnit crowd claim Rome co-opted Zionism when for hundreds of years, opponents of world government have accused Zionism of co-opting Catholicism, starting during the Reformation and especially with the Second Vatican Council.
Roman Catholic Church Not Crypto Jewish
by Tony Blizzard
(henrymakow.com)
Edward Hendrie's article is so full of misrepresentation of every possible type he can dream up of the true Catholic Church (pre Vatican 2, which "new order" is itself actually Protestant), plus absolutely drooling with wishful thinking, one wonders if he isn't, himself, a Talmudist, or just one of their "useful idiot" defenders.
I've heard these Protestant ravings and imaginings my whole life (I am not a Catholic) and was up in years before I ever investigated any of them. Not a single one of these ravings holds up under unbiased investigation. Many words from this wannabe "expert" which are, in reality, vicious libels against the Church.
Want some real TRUTH on the subject? Try William Cobbett's "A History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland." Cobbett, a Protestant, wrote his fully documented history using British official records in the years 1824-1827. He minces no words about the Protestant wholesale destruction of cathedrals, churches, monasteries, and the theft of practically all Church property making the thieves a "new rich" in England whose offspring still mainly rule the isles, at least moneywise. Not to mention the wanton slaughter of the masses who refused to give up their ancient religion for the new, state mandated, imitation.
You can back that up with the more modern, "The Stripping of the Altars, Traditional Religion in England 1400-1500" by Eamon Duffy, whose research centered at the Cambridge University Library.
It is very telling how some Protestants fume in attempts to disparage Catholicism but are not bothered at all by the Talmudists who have targeted all non-Jews (plus some Jews) for enslavement or extinction.
Here are some words out of the mouths or pens of the Talmudists themselves on the subject taken from speeches at a B'nai B'rith (Jews only masonic lodge) Convention held in Paris, France in Feb., 1936 as published in "Le Reveil du Peuple," a Parisian weekly:
"As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come." "We have already fulfilled part of our work, but we cannot yet claim that the whole of our work is done. We have still a long way to go before we can overthrow our main opponent; the Catholic Church...."
"We must always bear in mind that the Catholic Church is the only institution which has stood, and which will, as long as it remains in existence, stand in our way. The Catholic Church, with her methodical work and her edifying and moral teachings, will always keep her children in such a state of mind, as to make them too self-respecting to yield to our domination, and to bow before our future King of Israel...."
"That is why we have been striving to discover the best way of shaking the Catholic Church to her very foundations. We have spread the spirit of revolt and false liberalism among the nations of the gentiles so as to persuade them away from their faith and even to make them ashamed of professing the precepts of their Religion and obeying the commands of their Church. We have brought many of them to boast of being atheists, and more than that, to glory in being descendants of the ape! We have given them new theories, impossible of realization, such as Communism, Anarchism, and Socialism, which are now serving our purpose....The stupid Gentiles have accepted them with the greatest enthusiasm, without realizing that those theories are ours, and that they constitute our most powerful instrument against themselves...."
"We have blackened the Catholic Church with the most ignominious calumnies, we have stained her history and disgraced even her noblest activities. We have imputed to her the wrongs of her enemies, and have thus brought these latter to stand more closely by our side.... So much so, that we are now witnessing, to our greatest satisfaction, rebellions against the Church in several countries.... We have turned her clergy into objects of hatred and ridicule, we have subjected them to the contempt of the crowd... We have caused the practice of the Catholic Religion to be considered out of date and a mere waste of time...."
"We have induced some of our children to join the Catholic body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Catholic Church, by creating scandals within her."
"We are the Fathers of all Revolutions-even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the creators of the REFORMATION! Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was trusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation."
"Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends, and again, by Jewish authority and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success...."
"Thanks to our propaganda, to our theories of Liberalism and to our misrepresentations of Freedom, the minds of many among the Gentiles were ready to welcome the Reformation. They separated from the Church to fall into our snare. And thus the Catholic Church has been very sensibly weakened, and her authority over the Kings of the Gentiles has been reduced almost to naught...."
"We are grateful to Protestants for their loyalty to our wishes-although most of them are, in the sincerity of their faith, unaware of their loyalty to us. We are grateful to them for the wonderful help they are giving in our fight against the stronghold of Christian Civilization, and in our preparations for the advent of our supremacy over the whole world and over the Kingdoms of the Gentiles."
"But the Catholic Church is still alive..."
"We must destroy her without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of world against the Catholic Church."
There is plenty more but this should suffice to show that Hendrie is either an agent for the Talmudist agenda or simply a biased Protestant without a real clue.
It should also suffice to show anyone the real origins of Vatican II, which converted most of the Church into just another protesting sect. Protesting against itself.Source: http://www.henrymakow.com/roman-catholic-church-not.html
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Zeitgeist The Movie
by DATA-DOG ini just watched the first part of this film.
i am now more screwed up than ever....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36_cwza0bk .
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NoStonecutters
Christ Alone, pseudo scholar Archarya S (Christ Conspiracy) is also heavily involved in the Zeitgeist movement. It's not coincidence that she quotes Blavatsky extensively in her unscholarly attempt to show that the Christ narrative is plagiarized.
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Zeitgeist The Movie
by DATA-DOG ini just watched the first part of this film.
i am now more screwed up than ever....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36_cwza0bk .
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NoStonecutters
Zeitgeist The Movie is crypto-Theosophical initiation. It externalizes Helena Blavatsky's Theosophical mysticism (which is part of the Illuminati program). See Externalization of the Hierarchy.
In other words, it creates a good New World Order and a bad New World Order (Hegelian dialectic), without giving you the choice of no New World Order. This is Kabbalism, or witchcraft. The Kabbalah's false dialectic, black vs. white magic, can be seen in the Sephiroth vs. Qlippoth narrative.
THRIVE is more of the same New Age indoctrination.
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Atheism's occult roots
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Twitch said,
It may be noted that theist idealogy has been used as a form of control at high levels throughout history and cultures to a far greater degree than any
atheistic "belief" structure. A mere sampling of history may support the supposition.
Of course, but then this is hardly anything new. In fact, it has become clichéd. Calling religion oppresive was the slogan of the sexual revolutionary gurus, which the world heard ad nauseum.
Your poser subversive stylings are pedantic yet imaginative.
I think I have been pretty up front and sincere with my arguments.
scotoma said,
" Marxists weren't very good scientists or biologists. They believed that humans were infinitely maleable. They thought humans were multi-use modules that could be plugged in anywhere. They were wrong. Any horse breeder knows better."
I think this says more about the Marxists' nihilism than it does about the Marxists themselves. The Marxists were quite clear that removing the idea of God from the minds of Soviets was key to then eradicating family, private property, and nationalism for the betterment of society towards a one world government. Is it a coincidence that we see this very thing happening today ever since? While Marxism failed politically, it has survived and is thriving culturally in the United States of America and in many countries. Atheism remains the driving force behind this cultural Marxism. Marxism has become a protection mechanism for atheism in that cultural Marxism, which can loosely be described as unfettered political correctness, gives atheistic influence carte blanche and represses its opposing belief systems with inpunity.
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Atheism's occult roots
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Granted, scotoma; however, everything Huxley and the pioneering scientific dictators predicted is coming true. Surely, if atheism weren't meant to fulfill a global governance agenda but, instead, was the truly liberating and enlightening ideology modern atheists claim it to be, then we would not be on the cusp of a global government by technocracy at this very moment. If atheism were so liberty-centric, you would expect the opposite to be occuring: more national sovereignty, the prevalence of individualism and autarky, less centralized power, etc. But we just aren't seeing this happen, now are we? Atheism had its chance in the Soviet Union, but nature selected it for extinction. Unfortunately, some sith lords have magically resurrected it from the dead.
I don't doubt your sincerity as an atheist. In fact, I don't doubt the sincerity of most taxpaying atheists. However, I think atheists aren't being completely objective about the posibility that their ideology can and is being used by elites as a form of social and biological control.
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scotoma, you're going to have to be a little more specific than that. If I have committed such a fallacy, please indicate exactly where....or is it simply everything I have said that's fallacious? In which case, I am not going to engage in such nonsense.
Genetic Fallacy according to Wikipedia: " is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone's origin rather than its current meaning or context."
I think it's been demonstrated to some degree that atheism's current worldly meaning is still relevant to its occult past. If not, I shall further elucidate.
On a side note, people often dismiss claims of Masonic influence in the Watchtower based on this supposed genetic fallacy even though some current Watchtower doctrine reflects Masonic ideas. It's more than just Russell's membership in the Knights Templar.
If what opponents like Collins are saying is true, then atheism's occult roots are vital to its future as a Hegelian dialectic in a scientific dictatorship world government scenario.
"We have already fulfilled part of our work, but we cannot yet claim that the whole of our work is done. We have still a long way to go before we can overthrow our main opponent; the Catholic Church...."