I just watched the first part of this film. I am now more screwed up than ever......
Zeitgeist The Movie
by DATA-DOG 27 Replies latest jw friends
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Finkelstein
Under close examination its not as accurate as it portrays but it does offer a different perception to ancient mythological beliefs.
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OnTheWayOut
It's one of those extremely biased movies that everyone should see so that they might be able to know both extremes and know that the truth is very difficult to find somewhere in the middle.
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DATA-DOG
I was too tired to research all the ancient stories that were supposed to be extremely similar. My brain just paused, like in the old Western movies when a new guy enters the saloon and the piano stops, and everyone looks. If you are saying it is extreme and not really accurate then I believe you. The Egyptian stories combined with C.T Russels pyramidology fixation turned the conspiracy part of my brain on. I had trouble sleeping last night. There are just too many unknowns and I am getting tired of looking for answers.
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Finkelstein
I do think it has its value in exposing the plagiarism in ancient mythology.
It would not be unreasonable to comprehend that actually did happen in ancient times, where information was derived from one civilization
and passed to another and being that the Egyptian civilization was predominately the oldest and the largest throughout the Middle East .
I would not bother with the 9/11 conspiracy trash though.
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tec
Dat-a-dog... you do not need to be concerned with Zeitgiest. Not with the copy-cat Christ myth part of it, for certain; and the rest seems a lot of conspiracy theory stuff. Most of those comparisons are completely false. And if people don't want to take my word for it, because I am biased, then they can read Leo's research into it. Zeitgeist is baseless. Zeitgeist is also the one thing that caused me anxiety before I researched it, years ago. Was I believing a myth all along? Was I really too afraid to look into it? Well, yes, i was, until my (atheist) husband started strutting around, lol... and I could not answer him about this stuff because I did not know. So I told myself to stop being a coward, and I did the research, and saw that there was absolutely nothing in this that had any basis, or a threat to faith in Christ and God. Then I was mad at myself for doubting. But I am glad for the experience because it taught me not to be afraid to research any such thing in the future, if only to be able to know the background of the false claims for others who are making accusations.
The very first comparison between Christ and all the other god-myths... is that they share a December 25th birthday. That is false on all accounts, and as a former jw, everyone here knows this, especially as pertains to Christ. And if the makers of this have to resort to false comparisons to make their case, then they do not have a case to begin with. Bad research or simple dishonest, to promote their agenda.
No need to lose any sleep over them, Dat-a-Dog.
Peace to you,
tammy
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DATA-DOG
Tammy,
Thanks. I caught the December 25th claim immediately. Even so, once you know that you have been lied to you wonder about everything. It was a late night, I skipped the meeting because I just couldn't deal with it. I am glad someone knows how I feel. That means a lot.
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Etude
I didn't watch the whole thing (I'm still downloading it and others). From the comments here, it remindes me of the movie "Thrive". It has the same conspiracy themes even though it's very well made and a bit more narrative and less "stylistic" than "Zeitgeist". Here's a review about it: Commentary on the documentary “Thrive”
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Christ Alone
Ah Zeitgeist. Yeah it confused me too when I first watched it. But interestingly SO much of it has been debunked and so much of it is either bad scholarship or outright false. Many of the comparisons they use refer to different languages and they apply it to English.
For example they say that the term Sun Set comes from Horus being the Sun God and Set (meaning darkness) being his brother. That doesn't work. For a few reasons. Horus is NOT the Sun God. Osiris is. SETH was not Horus' brother but his uncle. And Seth was not the God of darkness but the God of storm. The actual fight between the sun and night was a fight between Ra and Apopi. Bad scholarship. Another reason is that Sun and Set are english words that do not refer to either Horus or Seth.
They also try to tie Horus in with Jesus. They use MANY inaccuracies in this attempt as well. Here is a well dictated response by a historian about Zeitgiest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPmY1f9_d3M&feature=related
A few examples of this is that it is claimed that Horus mother was a virgin. False. Isis, Horus mother, had regular sex with Osiris and used a golden dildo. He was not called the Lamb of God but was called the Hawk. Horus never died. His FATHER died and was dismembered by Seth, and was resurrected by Isis. The claim that Horus was born on December 25th marked by a star in the sky, was worshipped by 3 kings, had 12 disciples, was baptized and crucified...ALL LIES. This claim was based off of a poet named Gerald Massey, and this was shown to be 100% false.
Zeitgiest also tries to connect Jesus with Attis, saying that these same events happened in his life. Again, bad scholarship and outright falsities. Attis was not a sun god, nothing is stated about him being born on Dec 25. He killed HIMSELF and he never did rise again. Again, lies.
Again the connection is attempted with Krishna. He also was not a sun god, was not born on Dec 25, was not born of a virgin (was actually the 8th son of Devaki and Mathura), Died from an arrow wound in 3102 and was never raised again.
Another connection was attempted with Dionysus. Again, he ws not a sun god. He WAS the god of wine, but the connection to Jesus stops there. He was NOT born on Dec 25, was dismembered by Titan and resurrected by Apollo. He had hundreds of FEMALE disciples.
Another connection was attempted with Mithra. He was not a sun God, he was born on Dec 21st, was born from a rock, never died, and did not have any disciples.
Trying to connect these with Jesus is imaginary. For one thing celebrating Jesus birth on Dec 25 was the invention of Pope Liberio in 354 and was not a teaching of Christianity. In fact even Pope Liberio did not say that Jesus was born on this date, but that we would celebrate it on this date since we do not know when Jesus was born.
Possibly the SILLIEST connection that Zeitgiest tries to make is to compare the SUN to the SON. If you watch the video above you will see how ridiculous this is. It's an bad English pun and does not work.
Finally, I want to post this response to Zeitgeist. It thoroughly debunks this shockingly inaccurate video. I would educate yourself on this before you let this video confuse you.
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Leolaia
I do think it has its value in exposing the plagiarism in ancient mythology.
It would if it had a reliable factual basis. I would stick to actual scholarship than BS.
