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  What Are Your Rights?

  by Simon in

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  rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

  say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

  people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

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  Anony mous,

  I guess the problem I'm having with these conversations, is the intense strawmanning going on.

  No one here, including myself, has advocated a wholly socialist society, yet when democratic socialism is brought up, you ignore the democratic part, and simply point out the pitfalls of an all socialist society. Strawmanning at it's finest.

  When we point out the many socialist institutions in the United States, your only answer is, "but those aren't really socialist!" By whose definition?

  As far as your idea that it's fine for government to begin programs, and then hand them off to private industry, I'm great with that, as long as the industry pays back to the government all of the people's money that was spent establishing the infrastructure. Otherwise, there's nothing to stop them from using their own money to compete with the government programs. Isn't that how capitalism works?

  Here's my summation of your arguments

  1. Pure socialism doesn't work (We all agree).

  2. Any socialist element in a capitalist society isn't socialist, because socialism doesn't work, and since that society works, those elements aren't socialist. (is that about right?)

  3. Government is fine for getting things going, but private industry will manage things better. (sure, after all the hard work is done! I'll remember that when I ask someone to give me their business because I can run it better.)

  I'll stick to empirical evidence rather than quasi-libertarian theory.
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  Diversity is White Genocide

  by corrie54 in

  1. watchtower
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  asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

  everybody says there is this race problem.

  everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

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  redvip2000,

  If MAGA hat kid was uncomfortable, all he had to do was step back. I watched the video by the way, and saw the kids whooping and doing the tomahawk chop. Did you?

  I can tell you exactly what certain people would say if it had been a group of black or Hispanic kids confronting a white guy.

  Also, where were the chaperones for these kids? At the first sign of trouble with the Black Israelites, I'd have hustled them out of there.

  There was plenty of blame to go around, and the portrayal of these kids as victims is not accurate. They were just stupid high school kids with no supervision.
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  Diversity is White Genocide

  by corrie54 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

  everybody says there is this race problem.

  everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

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  With the declining white birthrate in the United States, and with conservatives trying to limit the influx of brown people, at least their pureblood children will have plenty of jobs working in the fields, and changing poopy Depends.
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  What Are Your Rights?

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

  say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

  people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

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  Finklestein,

  Thanks for your real world answer to the theories of capitalist libertarians.
  

  Capitalism had it's chance at the turn of the 20th century, when factory workers were paid the bare minimum to work long hours, in terrible conditions. Libertarians say that workers had the right to go elsewhere, but who would choose to transfer from the Titanic to the Lusitania?

  There was no elsewhere, and when workers dared to strike for better pay and conditions, they were met with violence and murder (coal miners, for example).

  A fast food worker today, cannot provide health care, food, clothing, and housing on $7 to $8 an hour. To those who claim that this is a "training" wage, and will result in an experienced worker moving up the ladder to better pay, the average fast food worker is 29 years old, with 40% being over 24. How do you provide health care to people that cannot pay the premiums, but have no opportunity to find a job that will eoffer health care, or pay enough to afford it?

  Ron Paul suggested that charities, churches, and families can take care of this. This was available to everyone at the turn of the 20th century, and yet tens of thousands died because there was more demand than supply.

  When capitalism was combined with elements of socialism, life improved. It had no link to the largesse of industry.

  Simon. You gave a list of things that you believe aren't socialism. Sorry, but a lot of conservatives would disagree with you. Nice try. You can't cherry pick programs that seem to work, and say that they can't be Socialist because they work.

  When you can give examples of societies that succeeded for everyone because they were totally run on capitalist ideals, then you'll have a chance of swaying me. Till then, your ideas are untested theory.
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  What Are Your Rights?

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

  say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

  people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

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  MeanMrMustard,

  Sorry, your arguments only show that capitalism is a part of what has decreased poverty, but ignores the elements of socialism that provide services that help to elevate some out of poverty. Your ideas, like those of the numerous sects of libertarians, are merely theories, with no real world examples to demonstrate their success or failure. The minarchist ideal of a state with only military, police, and courts to keep order and protect personal and property rights, could only work in a world where people can't be bribed or corrupted. Good luck with that.

  I've watched the Libertarian Presidential debates, where people such as the Libertarian Governor of New Mexico was booed for suggesting driving licenses were a good idea, and the eternal "who will build the roads?" dilemma was solved by giving everybody jet packs.

  I'm not one to recommend YouTube channels, but you might find the Majority Report with Sam Seder interesting. He challenges any Libertarian to debate, and never fails to entertain with his questions that Libertarians can't or won't try to answer. He even debates Walter Block in two short (50 minutes or less) segments, where I feel Block doesn't come off too well. Of course, you'll probably find him the epitome of eloquent logic.

  I still feel a combination of socialist and capitalist ideas work best, so we'll just have to disagree. Still, thanks for the opportunity to debate. You're a very fine writer.
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  Pope Francis & International Interfaith Meeting 2019

  by mikeflood in

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  pope francis meets grand iman ahmed el-tayeb, the most important sunni cleric, and other representatives of christianity and judaism, calling for "peace between nations, religions and races".

  also they said that "the pluralism of religions...are willed by god".. it was pope's first trip to the arab peninsula...didn't know they have catholic churches in the uae..... world would be better with more tolerance...don't you think?.

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  Tolerance among religions would be a good first step, but xenophobia, greed, lack of empathy, and just plain psychopathy aren't confined to the religious.
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  German got his silver sword

  by fastJehu in

  1. social
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  on saturday 02-02-2019 german jws got there silver sword.

  rumour has it that all of europe received the translation yesterday, because gerrit lösch visited the european branch in selters (germany).

  can anyone confirm that?.

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  Maybe they had to wait till enough people left the ORG to match the number they'd printed.
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  What Do You Think of Socialism?

  by minimus in

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  do you support socialism?

  is it something that you would want in your country?.

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  With the exception of garbage pickup(private companies here), I find your list to be accurate.
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  Big Announcement in Montreal

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  2. experiences

  just got the heads up from montreal that 16 congregations will cease to exist from 1 april 2019. also 3 kh are no longer going to be used anymore.

  this was a major announcement for many and upsetting.

  wonder where the r& f are going to be dispersed with what sacrifices in the way!.

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  Does anyone have information on KH sales in Oregon?
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  What Do You Think of Socialism?

  by minimus in

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  do you support socialism?

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  V101,

  As I understand it (I hope our Canadian friends will correct me if I'm wrong), serious, life threatening conditions are taken care of quickly, while those that are less severe sometimes have to wait. Those that have money, and don't want to wait, will come to the US.