There was a time when I was sure that my 3 "annointed" grandparents in heaven were somehow responsible for getting me out of close calls. I finally figured out that was all fantasy and that sometimes good things happen and sometimes bad.
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Regarding the Mexico Situation
by superpunk ini have an e-friend who is trying to leave quietly, but his wife is still buying the wts explanations.
he asked me this earlier today, wondering if anyone here has heard this chestnut, and if they'd be able to clarify.
thanks in advance;.
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Reminds me of the mental gymnastics some believers on this board go through to stick up for their god. One thing I have learned in my journey, if someone wants to believe something they will find a way. Wish I could help you with your question but I doubt the claim has any meri. But it would be real easy to run it by Ray, he could probably use a laugh.
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Jehovah's Witnesses serve up LEFTOVERS from other plates
by Terry inthe doctrines of jehovah's witnesses are not original.. if they are not original and originating from their "faithful and discreet slave" class of anointed "prophets"--then they must be 2nd hand from other sources.. this would at once disprove the proprietary claims of special relationship with god as his mouthpiece.where did their ideas, doctrines, chronologies and reasonings find their source?
was it the "anointed" slave or was it from earlier failed speculators who had polished a messege that got people worked up into a fervor?.
for the answer to this we must revisit the time of the watchtower society's founder, c.t.
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Another great post Terry! I have a question, how can you possibly keep starting these great threads. Is that why you disappeared for a while, you were busy composing a whole slough of threads that you could share with us? Whatever, keep it up.
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Just got ahold of "secret elders meetings" notes.
by aquagirl incant say how,but i am in possession of about 10 years worth of elders meetings notes.financial info,personal lists,signed letters etc.disfellowshipping meeting minutes,the works.it is unbelieveable.some of the note are "investigate so and so,she was seen at a movie,talk to sister so and so about her weight,investigate the matter between so and so and so and so etc.
letters from circuit servant visits w/recommendatons.anyone got any ideas?there are even minutes of a meeting in which some of the elders "had words"...all in glorious initialed and signed paper.numbers,names,contributions..what should i do with this "blessing from hohoba?
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The moment I knew it was crap....
by Brocephus inalready had doubts from the time i got pubes... but i was about 15 and we were studying the revelation "book" for the upteenth time.
i realized for every actual bible verse they qouted there was 2-3 paragraphs of conjecture, assumption, faulty logic and just plain stupidity.
that's when i began to plan my escape.
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Concerning Abaddon, from wikipedia: Identifying Abaddon The symbolism of Revelation 9:11 leaves the exact identification of Abaddon open for interpretation. Some bible scholars believe him to be the antichrist[9] or Satan.[10][11][12] In the past Jehovah's Witnesses shared the idea that Abaddon was Satan.[13] Modern Jehovah's Witnesses take the contrasting view, believing that Abaddon is a name given to Jesus.[14][15] References 1.^ KJV, Rev. 9:1-11. 2.^ See any Hebrew dictionary entry for Strong number 6; you can search for it using The Unbound Bible's lexicon search tool. 3.^ a b Davidson, Gustav (1994) [1967]. A Dictionary of Fallen Angels, Including the Fallen Angels. New York, NY: Macmillan, Inc.. ISBN 9780029070529. 4.^ Occultopedia article on Abaddon 5.^ Metzger & Coogan (1993) Oxford Companion to the Bible, p3. 6.^ The Legends of the Jews, volume II: From Joseph to Exodus, Lewis Ginzberg, 1909. 7.^ a b Atiya, Aziz S. The Coptic Encyclopedia. New York: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1991. ISBN 002897025X 8.^ Gospel of Bartholomew Featured as Abbaton 9.^ Matthew Henry Commentary on Revelation 9, accessed 15 April 2007 10.^ Jamieson, Robert; Fausset, A.R.; and Brown, David (2000-02-19). Commentary on Revelation 9. Blue Letter Bible. Retrieved on 2007-04-15 from http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/comm_read.pl?book=Rev&chapter=9&verse=11&Comm=Comm%2Fjfb%2FRev%2FRev009.html%2359238%26JF+%5E%26B&Select.x=24&Select.y=0. 11.^ Halley (2000) Halley's Bible Handbook with the New International Version, p936. 12.^ MacDonald (1995) Believer's Bible Commentary, p2366. 13.^ Charles Taze Russell’s Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 7, p. 159, 1917 edition 14.^ Insight on the Scriptures Page 12 15.^ Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1961, p. 719
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Handling "Conversation Stoppers", 1963 style.
by Open mind inold timers may remember that the wt used to print up "reports" of the assemblies in paperback booklet form during the late forties to early sixties.
(this predates my memory, btw.
) i have a copy of the 1963 report on the "everlasting good news" assembly of jehovah's witnesses.
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Don't toss it away, it may be worth some bucks on Ebay.
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Was Jehovah God Ever Real To You?
by minimus inwe were supposed to "love" jehovah god.
we were taught how wonderful a god he is and how fortunate we were to be his people.
of course, you can't see jehovah god.
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Undercover- my feelings exactly. Since I left I have repeatly heard that my problem is that I never developed a personal relationship with Jehovah. I find that to be an unarguable point. Just like those that left the JW's and somehow got invited to sit in Jesus' lap.
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Kingdom Halls, Assemblies, District Conventions - NO POWER POINT
by Nephilim ini'm a good public speaker - when i have my power point.
this is because i am a very visual person.
when i had my notes everything seemed to get blurry.. it bothers me that there is this unwritten law that you are not allowed to give visual presentations in the kingdom hall... even assemblies equipped with multiple projectors (to view baptism) do not use power point or any type of visual stimulus.. hell even when they have 10,000 plus people they are still working a full day with just a man on stage talking.
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I used to give a talk that dealt with Daniels dream, 607 etc, I believe it was entitled "Is it time for god to rule the world". In preparing the talk, I figured there was no way to understand that without some visual help, so when I gave the talk I used a chart that I filled in as I progressed with the talk. I never got any hastle for doing it, but it was that talk and the preparation I did for it that allowed me to pick up on the 607-587 problem which eventually allowed me to figure out the whole scam.
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you should not have to choose between your religion and family ! (awake mag quote)
by looloo inlast summer there was a big upset caused by an article (july ,ithink) in the awake about a hindu lady that upset her family by leaving her religion and joining jehovahs witnesses and the ironic thing was it had the above quote in it , that someone should not have to choose between family and religion !
i printed the article off and underlined that section , and recently sent it to my inlaws along with a letter , because they are upset about not seeing their grandchild because they banned their son from the house (he sdisfellowshipped) i am trying to sort the situation out , and i thought they might notice the hypocrisy in the article , however that idea did not work as apparently" there are lies on the internet !
" and father in law was not very happy to receive it , but it is from an awake magazine ,watchtower literature !
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The hypocrisy is beyond words.
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FALSE TEACHINGS? You decide!
by Terry inbelow a list is culled from various publications by c.t.
russell who was the mouthpiece of the lord.
1.the second adventists and millerite movement was the fulfillment of bible prophecy.
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Thaks Terry! Marking for later