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  Much Belated "Thank You" to Hillary_Step and Gregor

  by AK - Jeff in

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  i was among those christians who fought against your 'tirades' against us - sometimes in rather fierce battles behind the scenes, sometimes on public threads here.. but, about two or three years ago - after hillary had already departed the forum, and years after my discussions with gregor - it hit me just how right the two of you were.

  perhaps hillary will never see this - maybe gregor has also left the forum for the most part.

  i don't come here often, but when i do i find myself on the side of the battle they occupied then.

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  Atlantis

  by startingover in

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  you have a pm.

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  You have a PM
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  The Watchtower Loses Action Against Bank (Fifth Third Bank)

  by TJ Curioso in

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  2. scandals

  the watchtower loses action against the bank "fifth third bank" - ohio, usa.. .

  see here all the details and the final verdict:.

  http://www.leagle.com/xmlresult.aspx?xmldoc=in%20ohco%2020111006735.xml&docbase=cslwar3-2007-curr.

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  I can just imagine what the response would be if a JW was in the WT's position and they wrote to the WT for advice. I bet they would tell them not to pursue it so as to not bring reproach on Jehovah's name.

  This really says what they are all about, actions sure speak louder than words.
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  Finding Serenity and Enduring in Our Struggle After Learning “The Truth About The Truth” (TTATT)

  by Greybeard in

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  2. beliefs

  there is a prayer often recited by people in various types of recovery programs called the serenity prayer.

  here the short version:.

  god grant me the serenity .

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  If you are wanting some sort of panacea, then I think you are chasing a fantasy. It's been said, life sucks and then you die. In my case, coming to grips with this life being all there is, was not easy, but I have felt much more serenity since I took god out of the equation. Worshipping someone who will kill you if you don't is not condusive to serenity IMO.

  When you say Christ will take care of it in the future in his due time, how is that any different than the WT paradise carrot? I'm convinced that many people cannot deal with the harsh reality we all face and grasp onto the fantasy that they are most comfortable with.
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  Why have you remained theists?

  by Silent_Scream in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i realize many on this forum are atheist, and theres many threads to show why.

  some believe creationist lack knowledge or understanding and that we are too ignorant to realize there isn't a creator.. i have studied (not in depth) first year college science, and am studying medical/health currently.

  i am also very interested in astronomy, and have learned a little in that area.

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  Greybeard,

  What insults? I guess it touches a sore spot comparing you to the JW's. Think about it though, you're advocating the same thing. Won over without a word, remember?

  You really think your "yet" comment was a complement? IMO Jesus has your mind a bit twisted if you do.

  Edited to add: Go ahead, make my day
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  Why have you remained theists?

  by Silent_Scream in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i realize many on this forum are atheist, and theres many threads to show why.

  some believe creationist lack knowledge or understanding and that we are too ignorant to realize there isn't a creator.. i have studied (not in depth) first year college science, and am studying medical/health currently.

  i am also very interested in astronomy, and have learned a little in that area.

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  I agree Greybeard. Except...do you realize how much you sound like the JW's with this statement:

  "Our loving response could be the only thing that wins them over to Christ"

  I'm glad I belong to a group that can use things like logic and reason and not emotion.

  And then this little gem:

  In my opinion, the true definition of an atheist is "a person that does not believe in God yet."

  I'll put up with you, even though with that statement you come across nicely as a condescending a-hole. Brother.
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  The Watchtower's Delicate Mastery Of Deception

  by metatron in

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  2. friends

  you gotta admire the skill manifest in the watchtower's deception skills.

  don't kid yourself, even the gestapo, in internal documents found after the war, found the magazines to be well crafted in the field of propaganda.. the latest deceptions?

  well, there's the nov. awake magazine with its cover asking, "is belief in a creator reasonable".

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  I hope this hasn't died already. I just sat down with some popcorn.
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  Are YOU a Believer, Atheist, Agnostic, Active JW or WHAT?

  by Greybeard in

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  sorry if this has been asked before but i would love to know the current ratio on this forum.. i'm a believer/christian former jw for 45 years... born in .

  what are you now and what were you?.

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  So why do you ask?
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  Are we all still FAMILY? Yes or No?

  by Greybeard in

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  2. friends

  here is why, even though i no longer agree with most of what the gb/wt/jw's teach, i still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group.

  born in or converted.

  we all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult.

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  Greybeard...

  Past life? Do you believe in reincarnation?
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  Are we all still FAMILY? Yes or No?

  by Greybeard in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is why, even though i no longer agree with most of what the gb/wt/jw's teach, i still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group.

  born in or converted.

  we all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult.

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  I just love you man!!! Even though you are an atheist basher like your buddy above me.