i just posted a reply to shelby aka aguest on another thread.
i can say it was the most emotional post of my life here at jw.com.
i don't want it lost.
Wendy,
I am sorry circumstances in your life have you at this point today. The bravery spoken of here is agreed upon by me. Yes you are.
I differ with your opinon, but respect that you have one and have stated it so clearly. I would be happy to discuss my views, AWAY from this board. It is not a request , just an invitation.
I hope some peace comes to you and your family today
Stephen
i hope that if one of my two sons ever go missing the.
republican's and the media come to find out they were screwing a married democratic congresswoman.
Brother
where~IS~ the love!
" (the watchtower, 10/15 1958, pp.
" (the watchtower, 7/1 1967, pp.
" (the watchtower, 12/1 1961, pp.
OK Teriffic.!
i have a question:.
if the wtbts is so into deceiving everyone and trying to reel in as many newcomers as possible, what does it actually have to gain from this?
why are they always trying to switch teachings to make themselves look "believable"?
GodRules :
Think about this.
At least you have to give the WTS some credit. See, they are willing to be ridiculed for an organizational change, or a change in one of their doctrines if after further Bible studying they find a clearer understanding. They will not stay stubborn on one belief until eternity. Although there have been many changes, basic Bible truths have not changed:
Jehovah is not part of a trinity. The ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Hell is not a place of torment. etc.
YA know GR... I like the idea you are here to love your brothers and defend the WTBTS. It s wonderful to have an opinion. Its also wonderful to have a consistent opinion.
GR writes:
"yet they make very wise decisions when they invest (a businessman will agree).
Could they actually have the backing of Jehovah? Don't rule it out so quickly. Think about it."
Yes let us consider this shall we Having gods backing, let see the evidence......Are you attempting to state that men with no business experience cant run a multibillion dollar Corporation......
THINK again...........Bill Gates. knew how to play with a computer....the Fella running America isnt the sharpest pencil in
the box, but he is SURROUNDED by some that are.
Lets get back to the point of GODs backing and CHANGING a stance on something........can any one tell me the last time GOD changed his stance on something........oh gee thats right he doesnt ........well then........this backing you say the org has.......can you show me all the evidence of such.
and while your at it......look up these few watchtowers so you can get the full import of the points you make.
1982 "Today, a remnant of this 'faithful sHOO' is still alive on earth. They occupy a position similar to that of Paul .. when that apostle said of the wonderful truths .. 'It is to us God has revealed them through his spirit.' .. How vital it is for everyone in God's family to submit loyally to the teachings and arrangements of the Great Theocrat, Jehovah, and his King-Son, Christ Jesus, as transmitted through the 'faithful slave' on earth." {WT Jun 1 1982 17 etc.}
1982 "At the headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in Brooklyn, New York, there is a governing body of older Christian men from various parts of the earth who give the needed oversight to the worldwide activities of God's people. This governing body is made up of members of 'the faithful and discreet slave.' It serves as a spokesman for that faithful 'slave.' The men of that governing body, like the apostles and older men in Jerusalem, have many years of experience in God's service. But they do not rely on human wisdom in making decisions. No, being governed theocratically, they follow the example of the early governing body in Jerusalem, whose decisions were based on God's Word and were made under the direction of holy spirit." {YCLF 195}
The May 15, 2001 Watchtower states , that Jesus directs the faithful and discrete slave in their work. So from the above we have Jehovah as the editor, Jesus directing the faithful and discrete slave and the Holy Spirit directing this effort. If any organization truly had all this, spiritual direction from the principles that created this universe , should not every word printed by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society be regarded in the same way as the bible. Any corporation or group that had this spirit based direction could never be questioned. So I ask you , show me this evidence that requires me to believe that these earthly men are any different that you or I.
Oh please!
Some of you may not be aware of the Pacific Learning Center for the WTBS
where is it, California, no Oregon,no Washington st... NO
its in HAWAII........
http://www.planet-hawaii.com/mtp/tenants.htm
Has any of the publishers looked at a yearbook to see how many publishers LIVE in Hawaii. ITs certainly not CHEAP to FLY there.
Please GR.. feel free to comment..
i have a question:.
if the wtbts is so into deceiving everyone and trying to reel in as many newcomers as possible, what does it actually have to gain from this?
why are they always trying to switch teachings to make themselves look "believable"?
20+million copies a week(awake or Watchtower)
Xmillon book copies
donations donations donations
or in other words
THE ROOT OF ALL SORTS OF INJURIOUS THINGS
THE LOVE OF MONEY
DOUGH
mula
coin
urgh!
i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
TJ
let me say that if we had just popped up on an island somewhere and didn't know what forms of behavior were acceptable, then we could overlook mcveigh's chosen path to address his problems
Please share with us the acceptable form of behavior......
Adam & Eve Popped up and then had two kids
one a murderer.......
where does this acceptable form come from......
S
believe it or not the motives are love, at least in my case.
i know that sometimes jw's on this board do not show that, but it goes the same with some ex-jw's too.. am i going against wt counsel?
yes, but i am willing to pay the price to help my fellow man, specially if i see that they blinded by resentment and are going contrary to jehovah's will.. why does the wt give the counsel to stay away from site such as this?
Am I going against WT counsel? Yes, but I am willing to pay the price to help my fellow man, specially if I see that they blinded by resentment and are going contrary to Jehovah's will.
IF you SEE.....well while many may appreciate your love for fellow man, what of the right of another to express this freedom of speech , religion, and ideas , given ... not by the WTBTS but by the guy who existed.. just a wee bit longer.
please do share with all of us the WILL of god since you seem to know what that may be.............
I must say the arrogance of such a position is in itself offensive to me. To express you may know the will of god for yourself would be quite an accomplishment..... to do it for 6 billion people is just a joke.
Carry on GOD RULES........what a catchy name.....
what if the witnesses do have all the answers?
what if the big a does come and we all have to answer the 'the man upstairs'?
what will your arguement be???
JGG
by answers they have , if you are referring to secrets or to lies they cover over or deny , I am not sure I understand your point. When asked pointedly about their own faith and to defend it from anything but a publication which originates in Brooklyn or Patterson, they are unable to do so.
so please put these ~answers~ out so we may al look at em and see for ourselves.
as far as the rest of your question goes...... do you need the BIG A to have integrity , to be moral , to love and be compassionate...cant you answer the QUESTION before the BIG A.............
life aint all between the ears....its between the breaths.......
s
it is the most basic thing about us; we share it with all living beings.
at each moment, millions of events take place inside our bodies and inside our minds that are designed to help us stay alive.
until the present, at least, the forces that are life-preserving have been stronger than the forces that are life-destroying.
Seven,
My soul sister...yes Please take a FEW deep slow breaths... the equivalent of SPIRIT in many lands.......... slow the breathing down and let it calm the mind...... focus on the breath ......focus on the air in & out of your body... the spirit flowing in and out.........
please feel free to email.. I am not available 24/7 but I am around much and can listen quite well! i will give you a contact number........
Stephen
Please Seven...keep the breathing slow ,deep, quiet and more regular........
i hear tell there are some aficionados out there.. as a young man i secretly loved ray bradbury, isaac asimov, l. sprague decamp, poul anderson, arthur c. clarke and others.
loved brian aldiss' "super-toys last all summer.".
when the movie "2001: a space odyssey" premiered, i sneaked into a theater all by myself, and was blown away.
Max.
that line got me as well
but ponder this
if you could for just ONE day live with him and hear him say" I love you"
would you
s
