Posts by stephenw20

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scams scams and more scams

by zev in

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ding..... a bell went off.

i wonder why it took me so long.. veniceit posted a link in her story on her sight to this article, which i scanned into text and repost here.

the point being, that this is one scam to make money by the borg.

stephenw20

Tina ,

I understand your point but if you look at these links ..you may think without JWS there would be no program.

http://www.humed.com/bloodless.html
http://www.noblood-miami.com/english/staff.htm
http://www.med.unipi.it/patchir/bloodl/bmr.htm

and this from the borg iste

Jehovah's Witnesses have a program for assisting doctors who have indicated their willingness to treat patients without using blood. Under this program over 4,000 doctors in Nigeria are provided with literature that details the latest medical advances in bloodless medicine and surgery.

Contact: J. R. Brown, telephone: (718) 560-5600

if it is 4000 doctors in nigeria how many is it worldwide?

while your point of them doing the research is taken........ they are sure making a point to get this out there......

and yet BULGARIA exists.......

S

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can you stop the preaching work

by stephenw20 in

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in light of the recent media on the pdophiles with in the organization and the wtbts stand on how these shoulld be dealt with , especailly in states where there is no law regarding reporting this to authorities.,............does any one here feel the neighborhood, town council or neighborhood watch in their town might have interest in know ing , child molestors are walking thier side walks.. .

knowing that summer is coming and lots of outdoor activities along with children being out of school, the community i am sure would like to know who is knocking on their door.. after all, how many pedophiles get an opportunity to get into the community and actually see homes where kids live , see the surrounding s of the house, all in such an innocent trusted manner....put your self at that door answering it with this person at the door.......if you knew this.

can we go door to door after the witnesses are there to say.....by the way the folks who were just here, are part of an organization that shields pedophiles, and doesnt come clean with even its own members as to whothe said offender is .........perhaps a petition against the house to house could be signed......and then offered to local officals.

stephenw20

I like the movie Verdict with Paul Newman,

because in it he says the LAW give us a chance at justice.

went to the library, last night, in my town there are ordinances that require ~anyone~ , even if it for charity or donation to be registered with the township clerk.that goes form door to door The names of each officer of the organization must be recorded. EACH solicitor for such org must be registered, shall carry proper Id and display it on request.

If a person is found in violation they are summonsed and have a court date set.

Interestingly enough this applies to an organisation whos OFFICE or BUILDING is in town. THe congregation I was associted with is in another township all together. In fact they have no less than four townships in their territory.

I will need to research this further.

but it seems that even if it is through ignorance, they are BREAKING THE LAW!

oh getty up!
S

4

Anointed

by hippikon in

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please describe how jesus came to be anointed by a dove

stephenw20

have any of the JW "ANNOITED" had similar experiences?

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scams scams and more scams

by zev in

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ding..... a bell went off.

i wonder why it took me so long.. veniceit posted a link in her story on her sight to this article, which i scanned into text and repost here.

the point being, that this is one scam to make money by the borg.

stephenw20

Mustang,
your business prowess proceeds you.

nice to have such a"in the know "fella here.

I agree printing presses are not free. Of course labor is generally quite cheap at this place. Money BEGETTS money....

whether they live within the laws of the non profit world is not my concern. What is , is the thougth they put forward of honesty integerity and example. Yet since 1916 no public rcord of their financial statements has been made.

When one hides something ,it is generally(i know this is a dangerous word) because there is something to hide.

Add to this that in the last FEW years it appears the WTBTS has with little word( or none) to its R&F just added corp after corp , and started investments, and business dealings with less than profitable businesses. THey also seem to be on the FOREFRONT of the blood research , and one needs to wonder why a PUBLISHING corporation would be there. If there is legitimate, research going on, since corporations seem to be their thing....form one for the research and let all the R&F know.

FEW if any R&F know the 800 # 24 hr hotline number for blood crisis ...and youll have troulbe finding it on the Watchtower web site..but it is all over bloodless program websites.

Mustang you have many fine points but this stuff stll stinks...... and it wreeks of dishonesty.......

S

PS If they were not in the printing business and did not have access to WEEKLY communication withthe R&F ....it may be more understandable that none of this come out..... but well........ you know that just is not the case.

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Are we bitter people or just victims?

by cocolocoii in

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i am a jehovah's witness until today, but i don't know if i'll continue to be one of them tomorrow.. i said that because for once my eyes are open to reallity and i can clearly see that there is not organization beyond our creators name.. i see a lot or imperfect man trying to do what is right, but allways those desires are corrupted by their pride or greediness.. i think that in the watch tower organization are really a lot of people who really wants to served god.

but i think too that there are a lot a people who doesn't have love and mercy for their brothers.

a well known saying says that you will catch more fly with honey than with vinager.. this doesn't mean that people are allowed to do whatever they want without any respect for god's word in the bible.

stephenw20

Coco,
Part of getting away from the JWS and HEALING is knowing when you have to move on.

Its been shown that your cell tissue RECORDS your each and every move and emotion, and if we are not careful we can become an agent for bonding on negativity........a witness woundologists, comparing scars.

I was quite on the road my self to fine separation and find myself drawn to this forum because of the amount of time in my life spent in & around this CULT.

Since I have IMO..an unbeliveing mate(see thats witness BS)..I mean I have a mate who still has not seen for herself that this is not a genuine organization , it makes it hard form me to close the door. I also have children who are at a very impressionable age, and perhaps in that remains the challenge for me.

But isnt that what life is about. Learning , and cahllenges. If we pray for forgiveness or to forgive........someone has to err in our opinion to forgive them. Its not always pleasant. But we can build our integrity and honor and endurance all the while. We can learn to manage this thing called SPIRIT

THe challenge to me is of not being threatening , of not showing more emotion or ego than necessary , but to show dignity and honor and through example to allowmy children to clearly see the difference of a mind controlling group and the free thougth they posses and must learn to use effectivley.

In my eyes , its all a learning expereince, with nothing happening per chance...I know I will hear much argument on this but that is ok... Ive felt the other way to...that I could do anything , that I had complete control over my own destiny...... I choose to look at the guy who was closest to the top and still chose lack of ego and love and compassion to solve issues. Not that you cant have a sense of humor about it.

Any 12 step recovery program is a boat to get you across the river. YOu still have to get off onthe other side. When we dont get off, we are wasting our precious cell energy and our ANgels start screaming...........”You wanted to get past all this and now all you want to do is RELIVE it and say poor me!”

Ill keep an eye on you if you promise to set me straight as well *S*

Corner stone , forgivenss is a critcal point of healing . Its funny that is in the lords prayer not love.Its also easier if you get your self inot present time and realize your wasting you days energy holding onto a bad memory like a debt owed.

S

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Jehovah's Name!

by VeniceIT in

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one thing that really bothers me is how jw's think jehovah will protect them from any scandle because they have his name and he won't want reproach brought upon it.. well, if they read their bibles and looked in the old testament(yes i'm starting to lose the jwisms such as hebrew scriptures), how many times were the isrealites (who he had chosen, and who everyone knew where his people), punished.

he didn't hide what they were doing or pass over it to protect his 'name'.

why do the jw's have this dissolution.

stephenw20

Venice,
I am not posting this to correct you its just FYI stuff, in case it matters to you.......

My brother keeps calling god YHWH and it irritates my mother ...maybe when she reads this she will feel all better!

http://www.ynca.com/ishisnam.htm

S

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The "Stigmata"

by kes152 in

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for those of you who are interested in the movie "stigmata," may you all have peace!.

in addition to that, i was moved by the spirit of my lord to respond to the "passage" that was quoted throughout the movie.

"the kingdom of the god is inside you, and all about (around) you.

stephenw20

Aaron,
Thank you for the wish.... may you also find peace in your daily journey.
Regarding the stigmatta(wounds of christ), a catholic monk Padre Pio, received the stigmatta at age 22 I beleive, the odd thingabotu these wounds are that you never need a blood transfusion(isn't that ironic)blood usually is fouls in odor but this smells like roses for those who have had these wounds.

He is significant because he never left the monestary , yes was seen on the battle fields in ww2 tending to the needs of soldiers. Infact as the story goes (and is suppose to be on record at the defense department) his village was due to be bombed , in WW2 and the towns peole came to him and said ..you ust do something........ the germans ahd pulled back and they were not going to invade, but the US air bombers we already enroute with bombs aboard. The report goes on to say all the US planes saw a monk inthe sky with Stigmatta hands telling them to go home....... they dropped the bombs on empty fields instead.

It is said he became more spirit than flesh and was heard doing demons nightly .
On last antecdote. I saw on the travel channel a month or so ago a program about him. One event was a catholic lady from PA who had a daughter who was dying form a rare brain tumor. She prayed to him and got a letter saying to come to Itlay to see him personally, but that she had to come with in two weeks.This was in 1968 and at that time it was quite the undertaking to get from PA to italy..especailly with a sick child. He saw the child. She was healed. The next day he died.

Ah yes faith and spirit.....

S

Buth she wnet

http://www.abol.it/padrepio/inglese/

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Blood MONEY

by stephenw20 in

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for those who keep sending the contributions......i mean donations in ..its nice to find out where some of it goes..... .

for immediate release .

march 29, 2001. nigerian supreme court unanimously affirms patient's right to choose medical treatment.

stephenw20

For those who keep sending the contributions......I mean donations in ..its nice to find out where some of it goes....

For Immediate Release
March 29, 2001

Nigerian Supreme Court unanimously affirms patient's right to choose medical treatment

"Jehovah's Witnesses have a program for assisting doctors who have indicated their willingness to treat patients without using blood. Under this program over 4,000 doctors in Nigeria are provided with literature that details the latest medical advances in bloodless medicine and surgery."

yes lets educate all the doctors..... then perhaps they can use a product we(WTBTS) invest in..like artificial blood.........

has anyone ever seen this education material for doctors?
what does this PROGRAM CONSIST of

S

30

can you stop the preaching work

by stephenw20 in

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friends

in light of the recent media on the pdophiles with in the organization and the wtbts stand on how these shoulld be dealt with , especailly in states where there is no law regarding reporting this to authorities.,............does any one here feel the neighborhood, town council or neighborhood watch in their town might have interest in know ing , child molestors are walking thier side walks.. .

knowing that summer is coming and lots of outdoor activities along with children being out of school, the community i am sure would like to know who is knocking on their door.. after all, how many pedophiles get an opportunity to get into the community and actually see homes where kids live , see the surrounding s of the house, all in such an innocent trusted manner....put your self at that door answering it with this person at the door.......if you knew this.

can we go door to door after the witnesses are there to say.....by the way the folks who were just here, are part of an organization that shields pedophiles, and doesnt come clean with even its own members as to whothe said offender is .........perhaps a petition against the house to house could be signed......and then offered to local officals.

stephenw20

Someone help me out here

does the house to house record that use to exist still exist?

does it not have a legend on it that has abbreviations for placements, and also for man , woman or child?

s

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can you stop the preaching work

by stephenw20 in

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friends

in light of the recent media on the pdophiles with in the organization and the wtbts stand on how these shoulld be dealt with , especailly in states where there is no law regarding reporting this to authorities.,............does any one here feel the neighborhood, town council or neighborhood watch in their town might have interest in know ing , child molestors are walking thier side walks.. .

knowing that summer is coming and lots of outdoor activities along with children being out of school, the community i am sure would like to know who is knocking on their door.. after all, how many pedophiles get an opportunity to get into the community and actually see homes where kids live , see the surrounding s of the house, all in such an innocent trusted manner....put your self at that door answering it with this person at the door.......if you knew this.

can we go door to door after the witnesses are there to say.....by the way the folks who were just here, are part of an organization that shields pedophiles, and doesnt come clean with even its own members as to whothe said offender is .........perhaps a petition against the house to house could be signed......and then offered to local officals.

stephenw20

Simon, I like it

do we need to not have awake and watctower copy heads to avoid copywrite infrigment....... in the body of the text?