When I read CoC and ISoCF, it hurt a lot. Something you invested all your present and future in turns out to be a lie. I saw my self righteousness in believing that I possess knowledge that only exclusive to this group, and feel the need to share it to the more ignorant ones. My arrogance was revealed. I felt my whole world was crumbling. That being said, I did not lose my faith in God. It was foretold that false prophets were coming and they turned out just to be one of those - they're not the only ones. I was amazed that a prophecy that looks so plain as that could pass in front of my eyes and suspect nothing.
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share your reaction after reading CoC and ISoCF
by suavojr inafter reading coc and isocf i cried, i was in shock, disillusioned, angry, and afraid... anyone wants to share their experience?.
i would like to see what you think about these questions when compared with your account.. why people from different backgrounds feel similar reactions?
(cannot be a conpiracy).
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Board of bitterness
by 1009 ini always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.
but still this religion fascinates me.
in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.
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Yes.
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The complete irrationality and unreasonableness of belief in 'miracles'.
by yadda yadda 2 inthe great british philosopher david hume listed the following reasons for rejecting belief in miracles as described in ancient scripture:.
people are very prone to accept the unusual and incredible, which excite agreeable passions of surprise and wonder.those with strong religious beliefs are often prepared to give evidence that they know is false, "with the best intentions in the world, for the sake of promoting so holy a cause".people are often too credulous when faced with such witnesses, whose apparent honesty and eloquence (together with the psychological effects of the marvellous described earlier) may overcome normal scepticism.miracle stories tend to have their origins in "ignorant and barbarous nations"- either elsewhere in the world or in a civilised nation's past.
the history of every culture displays a pattern of development from a wealth of supernatural events - "[p]rodigies, omens, oracles, judgements" - which steadily decreases over time, as the culture grows in knowledge and understanding of the world.who can really argue with this, honestly?.
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The grounds for belief and disbelief are the same today as they were two thousand — or ten thousand — years ago. If St. Joseph had lacked faith to trust God or humility to perceive the holiness of his spouse, he could have disbelieved the miraculous origin of her Son as easily as any modern man; and any modern man who believes in God can accept the miracle as easily as St. Joseph did. - Miracles, C.S. Lewis
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For those who still believe that Christianity is the only truth
by sosoconfused inplease help me to understand how you address this.. from the creation of adam to the birth of noah was about 900 to 1000 years.
during this period literally only a handful of people worshipped the true god.
then came the flood - at which point there were only 8 faithful people the world over.. .
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Didn't God say His thoughts are higher than our thoughts and His ways higher than our ways?
The interpretation of some Christians that only they will be saved in my opinion is misguided. True Christians will reign and be judges with Christ, but with regards to the rest of humanity they will be saved by God's grace and mercy through Christ and his persecution-tested brothers - all their lives they have learned to love even their enemies. The future for us, that degree of Love and Forgiveness will be mind boggling. That's what I can glean from the scriptures anyway. It doesn't mean I am right. But there is one thing I am sure of: that God is greater than us, that we don't really know anything, and that His heart is bigger than what we judge Him for.
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. - Romans 11:32
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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hi quiet one, you can choose to read the book and see what C.S Lewis has got to say about the subject, or you can choose not to. i was merely sharing. you can judge for yourself.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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kassad84
Reading "The Problem of Pain" by C.S. Lewis, helped me sort through some of these issues. There's also a section there about why the beasts suffer, something like since man has fallen, and the beasts were subjected under his authority, that they eventually descended into a fallen nature as well...
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The true story of the Bible regarding God's view of Genocide
by Christ Alone inyes, i already know the atheist's anger towards god, and the attempts to erroneously state that he advocated genocide, which .
i am ready to hear all the anger directed towards the god that these men and women state that they don't believe in.
they might as well be angry with the fsm.
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What's wrong with straightforward debate?
Nothing, if its done in a respectful and friendly manner. I admit I was also a bit on the wrong with the things I've said. I just kind of blacked out with how EP condescends people, so I kind of gotten back, but on reflection I realized it was wrong. We all got issues to deal with.