While I was reading this I was thinking that if the case goes against religion, it will affect the WT and their their practices regarding minors, specially about baptism that will have to be changed drastically.
Posts by Hecce
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15Supremes Face Bombshell: Law Censoring Christian Counsellors
by Hecce inwnd exclusive.
supremes face bombshell: law censoring christian.
the u.s. supreme court has been handed a bombshell: an appeal of a lower-court ruling that banned christian counselors from talking with teens about the biblical standard for sexuality.. the case challenges laws that force licensed counselors to affirm homosexuality, prohibiting them from helping clients overcome same-sex attractions.. such laws have been adopted in new jersey, where a biased judge used it to shut down a christian ministry, and in california and other states.. the case already was presented to the supreme court several years ago, but it did not get a ruling.. now a new appeal has been submitted by the pacific justice institute on behalf of two religious leaders in california and a student who was considering going into counseling.. the appeal argues affirmation of the state regulation by the 9th u.s. circuit court of appeals ignored the fact that when lawmakers were arguing over the law, many, if not most, of their comments were specifically about religion and conservatives.. get “takedown,” and learn how the american family and marriage are being sabotaged by the ideas of extreme-left radicals, starting with karl marx.. the appeal contends it’s unconstitutional to base a law on religious or anti-religious viewpoints.. “california’s lawmakers saturated the analyses with references, summations and quotes (at times without attribution) taken directly from the apa report [on counseling to overcome same-sex attractions],” the appeal states.. “a review of the apa report leaves no doubt that religious conservatives are those typically seeking soce [sexual orientation change counseling] – and those whose beliefs the legislature seeks to change.
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Supremes Face Bombshell: Law Censoring Christian Counsellors
by Hecce inwnd exclusive.
supremes face bombshell: law censoring christian.
the u.s. supreme court has been handed a bombshell: an appeal of a lower-court ruling that banned christian counselors from talking with teens about the biblical standard for sexuality.. the case challenges laws that force licensed counselors to affirm homosexuality, prohibiting them from helping clients overcome same-sex attractions.. such laws have been adopted in new jersey, where a biased judge used it to shut down a christian ministry, and in california and other states.. the case already was presented to the supreme court several years ago, but it did not get a ruling.. now a new appeal has been submitted by the pacific justice institute on behalf of two religious leaders in california and a student who was considering going into counseling.. the appeal argues affirmation of the state regulation by the 9th u.s. circuit court of appeals ignored the fact that when lawmakers were arguing over the law, many, if not most, of their comments were specifically about religion and conservatives.. get “takedown,” and learn how the american family and marriage are being sabotaged by the ideas of extreme-left radicals, starting with karl marx.. the appeal contends it’s unconstitutional to base a law on religious or anti-religious viewpoints.. “california’s lawmakers saturated the analyses with references, summations and quotes (at times without attribution) taken directly from the apa report [on counseling to overcome same-sex attractions],” the appeal states.. “a review of the apa report leaves no doubt that religious conservatives are those typically seeking soce [sexual orientation change counseling] – and those whose beliefs the legislature seeks to change.
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Hecce
WND EXCLUSIVE
SUPREMES FACE BOMBSHELL: LAW CENSORING CHRISTIAN
The U.S. Supreme Court has been handed a bombshell: An appeal of a lower-court ruling that banned Christian counselors from talking with teens about the biblical standard for sexuality.
The case challenges laws that force licensed counselors to affirm homosexuality, prohibiting them from helping clients overcome same-sex attractions.
Such laws have been adopted in New Jersey, where a biased judge used it to shut down a Christian ministry, and in California and other states.
The case already was presented to the Supreme Court several years ago, but it did not get a ruling.
Now a new appeal has been submitted by the Pacific Justice Institute on behalf of two religious leaders in California and a student who was considering going into counseling.
The appeal argues affirmation of the state regulation by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ignored the fact that when lawmakers were arguing over the law, many, if not most, of their comments were specifically about religion and conservatives.
Get “Takedown,” and learn how the American family and marriage are being sabotaged by the ideas of extreme-left radicals, starting with Karl Marx.
The appeal contends it’s unconstitutional to base a law on religious or anti-religious viewpoints.
“California’s lawmakers saturated the analyses with references, summations and quotes (at times without attribution) taken directly from the APA Report [on counseling to overcome same-sex attractions],” the appeal states.
“A review of the APA Report leaves no doubt that religious conservatives are those typically seeking SOCE [sexual orientation change counseling] – and those whose beliefs the legislature seeks to change. The evidence reflected in the APA Report shows that those wanting to diminish same-sex attractions do so because of religious convictions, desirous of living their lives in a manner consistent with their values.
“These ‘consider religion to be an extremely important part of their lives and participate in traditional conservative faiths.'”
However, the appeal, brought on behalf of Donald Welch, Anthony Duk and Aaron Bitzer, pointed out that the 9th Circuit affirmation of the state ban on counseling simply ignored the anti-religious component of the law.
“The 9th Circuit now overlooks unmistakable religious hostility in legislation,” the appeal argues.
It’s in the record that the law’s legislative history “made repeated references to the religious motivations of SOCE,” the appeal explains.
The law actually prohibits “communications of certain religious tenets regarding sexuality within the four walls of Dr. Welch’s church.”
The Supreme Court, therefore, needs to determine whether a state may “bar ministers from inculcating or encouraging certain religious values in youth, when those ministers are also licensed by the state as mental health providers.”
Also, questions include whether restrictions on religion are shielded by the court and whether minors’ rights are violated when they “may only seek to reduce same-sex attraction on their own or with the assistance of unlicensed individuals, and they may not seek professional help to do so.”
The defendants include a long list of state officials, from the state medical board to the governor.
The law originated with homosexual interests who want the state to require licensed counselors to promote homosexuality but be banned from explaining its negative consequences.
It began in the state’s schools, where a previous law allowed promotion of homosexuality but forbade educators from explaining the problems.
“If the Supreme Court grants our petition for certiorari, this will be the most important freedom of religion case for this year and will impact the rights of counseling ministries across the country, potentially for generations to come,” said Brad Dacus, president of PJI.
He said since the passing of SB 1172, which bars licensed counselors from assisting youth who want to change or reduce same-sex attractions, PJI has worked to defend counseling that takes place within church walls. The law also prohibits counseling that would steer youth away from gender confusion.
WND reported in 2015 that the bias of a trial court judge and the prevailing political perspective in the Obama administration that homosexuality should be promoted killed a New Jersey counseling program that offered help to those who are frustrated with their same-sex feelings.
The group JONAH, or Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing, announced the closure of the organization due to a judge’s order in a lawsuit brought by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
WND reported the jury verdict that ordered the organization to pay $72,000 to several plaintiffs who sued under a New Jersey consumer fraud law after they said their counseling sessions aimed at getting rid of unwanted same-sex attractions failed.
At the time, licensed professional counselor Christopher Doyle told the Anglican Mainstream website that the decision “is the consequence of liberal judicial bias.”
“Before and during the trial Judge Peter Bariso stripped JONAH of so many opportunities to really defend themselves, disqualifying five of the six expert witnesses for the defendants because their opinions contradicted the so-called mainstream view that same-sex attractions are not at all disordered, even if a client is distressed by these unwanted sexual feelings because of their sincerely held religious and spiritual beliefs,” he explained.
Get “Takedown,” and learn how the American family and marriage are being sabotaged by the ideas of extreme-left radicals, starting with Karl Marx.
“The judge’s bias against religious freedom was so ruthless that he even refused to allow JONAH’s chief attorney to mention the First Amendment freedom of religion in his closing argument,” Doyle said.
Oregon also has adopted similar rules that prohibit people from offering help during counseling sessions to juveniles who have unwanted same-sex attractions.
But several other states have rejected the idea.
The case against JONAH was brought by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which infamously put Dr. Ben Carson, one of the most respected men in America, on a list of “haters” for his views on marriage. The organization also was formally linked to domestic terror through a criminal case in which a homosexual attacked a Christian organization in Washington.
In 2014, the Supreme Court refused to hear arguments on a related dispute regarding counseling sessions.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/supremes-face-bombshell-law-censoring-christian-counselors/#a5VIzKXgHjdHF7yL.99
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Watchtower Annulled My Baptism
by RICHT incontrary to popular belief you can have your baptism annulled as i did by my local elders after my judicial hearing.. the watchtower of 1964 page 126 first paragraph clearly states that anyone that was committing a gross sin before, during and after their baptism is void.
in order to get right with the lord you would need to be re-baptised.
err no thanks, i'm not a believer!!!!.
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Hecce
April 2017 Study Watchtower - Forget About Claiming Your Baptism Was Invalid (self.exjw)
submitted 18 days ago * by NeonMadman01
The WTS is clamping down on people trying to claim that their baptism was invalid because of youth or other factors. Here's a paragraph from the new April 2017 Study Watchtower:
There is no way to undo a dedication vow, taking back what we promised God. If a person tires of serving Jehovah or of living a Christian way of life, he cannot claim that he was never really dedicated and that his baptism was invalid. To all intents and purposes, he presented himself as one who was wholly dedicated to God. He will be accountable before Jehovah and the congregation for any serious sins that he may commit. (Rom. 14:12)
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5jsa54/april_2017_study_watchtower_forget_about_claiming/
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Child abuse files. Request to return files before litigation
by sp74bb ina group of former jw in spain has decided to request through law the return to any file regarding child abuse.
an official request has been sent today and a copy of this one has been copied to the ministry of justice and other government officials.. starting jan 16, we expect to get our request and receive the confidential files regarding our sexual abuse years ago.. we will keep you posted !.
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Hecce
Good, good, good
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2017 Yearbook released
by bohm ini saw this on reddit:.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.
overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).
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Hecce
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_bzL2A4XRiodmp0OWpWUmJjaFU/view
Excellent compilation of Yearbook numbers since 1981.
For 2016 USA shows an increase of about 3000 publishers, this is not realistic when you take into consideration the migration coming from Mexico, Central America and many other countries.
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All Memorial Attendance Data from 1896 to 2016
by ILoveTTATT2 ini have made a spreadsheet of the reported number in attendance to the memorial since the first report of 13 people appeared in an 1896 watchtower.. since it can be very hard to find the numbers for the early years (anything previous to 1938), i will slowly make a note of where i found the data.some of the years i had to manually add hundreds of entries, since the wt did not provide the full number.i am building on the statistics of 1988-2013 that appeared here a while ago.soon i will be starting this but for other sets of data: # of publishers, hours, etc...here is the link: link.
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Hecce
Great
Thanks
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Rene Vazquez
by Etude indoes anybody know how to get in touch with him, if he's still alive?
yes, that's the rene that's mentioned in the franz's "crisis of conscience" i think i knew him better than he knew me, way back when.
i feel regret that i didn't approach him many years ago when i saw him on the street.
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Hecce
CC chapter 11 pages 308-311 contains the appeal letter from Rene Vazquez to the JC that disfellowshipped him. Here is a link to that information:
http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/showthread.php?tid=2617
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Mexico branch......Now closing!!!
by krismalone ina circuit overseer friend of mine serving in latin america called me today to say hi.
i asked him what's new and he dropped the news that they have received notification that the branch in mexico will be closing!!
this branch also called the central american branch (although located in mexico) oversees all of mexico's 800,000+ publishers plus all 7 countries of central america of over 100,000 publishers.
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Hecce
I agree that further verification is needed, if this is truth then the WT is going back to the original model for travelling overseers and is taking away the privileges and comforts attached to the position. They are going to do their work on a similar fashion to some third world countries.
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Rene Vazquez
by Etude indoes anybody know how to get in touch with him, if he's still alive?
yes, that's the rene that's mentioned in the franz's "crisis of conscience" i think i knew him better than he knew me, way back when.
i feel regret that i didn't approach him many years ago when i saw him on the street.
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Hecce
Interesting subject, searching there bits and pieces of information about the major players in the purge; almost none about Rene Vazquez. I found a topic of 11 years ago on this matter and it seems that there was some background to what happened to him and that he was taking some license with his teachings prior to the incident.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/101153/misinformation-coc?page=1&size=10
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Santa Ana, Calif. News Report: Jehovah's Witness molested 4-5 girls
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag6ftvig9b8.
kacey montoya for channel 5.
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Hecce
For me this item was very useful, I shared it with some friends and later on when I found about the age of the article I informed them; still we were grateful for the information.
Thanks