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  Special Talks now via video

  by AverageJoe1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  tired of listening to your local elders giving the "special" talk ever year after the memorial?

  well don't worry, as of next year we will be spicing things up for your enjoyment.. not only will we be having the talk before the memorial (i know, wild huh), but we will be treating you to the talk via video starring our famous speakers from bethel so you can see how a talk should be given (after all bethel does boast the best speakers in any country, right?!).

  here's a copy of the text from our latest letter as i'm sure that with so much excitement you won't believe it at first!.

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  Hecce

  The local speakers were a danger to the Branch, some of them were more qualified as speakers than what Bethel used to send out to the Conventions.

  This was not good for the central control needed for domination, in order to remedy this the outlines have been made very simple, absolute following of them is requested and no additional material to be added.

  The current meetings setup doesn't allow for the development of any new talent, as the good speakers fade away we will eventually have just the videos and so on for the meetings.
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  What would Watchtower be like now with out the 1975 fiasco.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  no doubt this has been discussed before, but if the 1975 event had never happened where would watchtower be now.

  comments please..

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  Hecce

  Difficult to say, 1975 brought about one million to the WT and the majority stayed. My guess is that without 1975 we will have a smaller religion with a little better reputation.
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  "The purpose of reporting field service time is for encouragement"

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was told this when i was an aspiring jw, aka unbaptized publisher.

  the above explanation didn't make sense to me then and it never did make sense throughout my jw career.

  over time, it appeared to me the real purpose of field service time reporting was to gauge one's spirituality and for the ceo *cough* co to make sure the elders were on top of things during his visit..

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  Hecce

  Nah

  Reporting started with the colporteurs (travelling salesman) and it was a way of showing their placements (sales), they had to remit a portion of the sales proceeds to the branch and then new supplies were sent to them.

  Eventually it was adopted for everyone with a heavy emphasis in placements, separate columns for books, booklets, subscriptions and magazines.

  We have information about this in the forum and even sample forms,
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  10 Graphs that show that the Watchtower is in trouble in Mexico

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  mexico is by far the country where the witnesses have had the most success in the entire world.

  almost any statistic except the total amount of witnesses shows that mexico is where the witnesses have had the wildest success in the world.proportional to population, the witnesses in mexico are double, or nearly triple, what they are in the us or brazil.but there is "trouble in paradise".

  if mexico falls, pretty much the whole watchtower falls.which is why it is so important to have jwfacts translated to spanish.i made an analysis and things are looking bad in mexico... if trends continue, mexico will become just like the 1st-world countries.here is the first graph:maximum publisher % increase:.

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  Thanks, very impressive.

  I can't talk much about Mexico; what I know is what I read but I will venture that two factors related to the decline of the WT in that country are the migration to USA (which counts for the little bit of increase in the USA) and the control of the cartels in certain regions of the country where it has become really dangerous to operate witness style.
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  How many do you figure are converted through the door to door ministry?

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i regular pioneered for 2 years and never have actually converted anyone through the door to door work, in fact, i only knew a few individuals that joined this way.

  most were born-in or at least had some type of family influence.

  i had several bible studies but they all got cold feet when things got serious and potential baptism was discussed.

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  Hecce

  The door to door service was originally a way to sell books and magazines, since they don't do that anymore is a complete waste of time. I have seen a congregation with 10 regular pioneers and over a period of many years all the new publishers are congregation members children or relatives and not even a single one has come from door to door preaching.
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  Impact of transformation of jw organization

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the organization transforms quickly into a multimedia self-help feel good religion.

  i am very allergic to it.

  can not hide it either.

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  The changes within the WT are a reflection of the fact they are just looking at the future and that they don't care for the past. They know that the people that worked their whole life building their empire are now quite old and not happy with the new religion, but they don't care; they are after the new generation even if they have to make their religion another evangelical cult.
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  September 7, 2017 Re: Donations for Disaster Relief Work

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  september 7, 2017 to all congregations in the united states branch territory re: donations for disaster relief work.

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  Hecce

  My understanding is if they establish a relief fund, the money has to be spend for that purpose without discrimination; they will have to include the dreaded "worldly people" in the effort. If they do it just for general funds, then they can do whatever they want with the $$$$.

  In the meantime they are mobilizing the elders to assist brothers in need or danger, they are not qualified to this and it will be better to leave to the proper relief agencies. The outside dangers in this type of situation are enormous.

  Like so many others, this is a dark hour in the WT history.
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  Breaking News - NK Missile Overflies Japan

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  story breaking on reuters here.... kim jong-un seems determined to start a war.

  nk is a national cult of personality.

  hating the rest of the world is the first tenet of faith..

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  Hecce

  Fisherman

  What was President Trump supposed to answer?

  Will start bombing in five, like President Reagan.

  Presidents are not required to answer every question that the press throws at them, specially when there are a lot of bad intentions behind the question.

  His critics won't give him the benefit of the doubt, that is the essence of my comment.
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  How long until the WT takes advantage of Mexican earthquake?

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it will be another money call followed by a reminder about how the end is imminent..

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  It will be lumped with the just released Harvey letter.

  When will the JWs wake up to all the $$$$ scams?

  In reality a lot of them are already awake and not giving a cent to the WT.
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  Breaking News - NK Missile Overflies Japan

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  story breaking on reuters here.... kim jong-un seems determined to start a war.

  nk is a national cult of personality.

  hating the rest of the world is the first tenet of faith..

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  Hecce

  Fisherman21 hours ago21 hours ago21 hours agoDT was asked point blank if he would tolerate a nuclear NK --and guess what?!!! He avoided the question ! Hmmmmm.

  When DT speaks, he is being rude and blunt; if he avoids the question he is Hmmmmmm.

  There is no way that he can win.