Posts by ÁrbolesdeArabia

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Who has had their District Convention seats stolen by other Witnesses?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

over the years i have had to deal with this problem personally and as a attendant covering my section at various convention centers.

i had people who were suppose to be decent jehovah witnesses pick up all the books, bags and coolers belonging to brothers and sisters who arrived at the appropriate time and picked them up and dumped them all at the end of the seating row.

so here is what goes down, the sister runs up to me panicking and saying "dear brother, i had all those seats reserved for my family and now look!

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Harry Mac, nothing has changed since I stopped attending Meetings a year ago totally, there is a caste-system in the Kingdom Hall and you do not want to try to get seats if you are at the bottom of the rank!

Me and my wife got into the most hideous fights over the District Convention because I left her with four little girls to raise on her own while I played with "Lost and Found", "Help Desk-Info Desk" or "First Aid" and mostly Accounting services! I really screwed up marriage up over this Organization and probably have lost the marriage of over twenty years because of my idiocy and obedience to the Organization. Ain't that Trite?

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@Notjustyet" I wish there were more people like you in my Kingdom Hall, maybe I would not have left the Organization if people really cared about their brother like you and many others here on JWN. The common denominator we all experienced was a lack of love and kindness from our suppose friends and loving "wind brotherhood".

@Moly, where did we develop layers of upper echelon? We tell everyone we are equal but that fact is we are not brothers, when was the last time a Governing Body member washed anyone's feet? The officials from the Watchtower are always enjoying being ministered too, not ministering to anyone!

@Gonzo, I saw too many people's things taken and moved, tossed down the isle or moved to another row by "good jws" who showed their true colors by stealing the seats of the elderly, crippled and children, what does that tale you about the Organization?

Mark 10:16

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New International Version (©2011)
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

New Living Translation (©2007)
For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many."

English Standard Version (©2001)
For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life--a ransom for many."

International Standard Version (©2012)
because even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many people."

NET Bible (©2006)
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for m

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Did You Lie and Say You Would Attend Another District Convention When You Were Given A Assignment Without Choice? We can't listen from the Help Desk or Info Desk.

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how many of you who had the responsiblities holding down posts at the district convention lied to the little children and friends by saying "i am going to come back in next month for another district assembly?

" when they asked you "when are you going to be able to enjoy the lifesaving message jehovah's faithful slave has provided for you?

as julia orwell noticed at the district convention there are brothers usually who do not pay attention to the program so tediously made by the faithful slave.

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Lois, he was lucky to have you, many wives would have left their husbands for "Cruel and unusual punishment" and you were kind enough to go with him a "day's travel". It really sucks we have such a vast cloud of good and decent people on JWN with very good histories of trying to follow the rules and be good and decent people. Once you leave the Organization or Fade, they really can't wait to forget all those good things and sacrifices many of our fine sisters endured so the Flock could have a District Program run by the sacrifices of the people behind the scenes. It's been with in the last year I realized how selfish the Organization really is, if only I had the brains to pay attention to Randy's pages on "Freeminds" over a decade ago, I would have saved myself years of grief. I see the unfairness being handed out to our older ones who are now being forgotten and put to pasture by the new and upcoming Stars.

How come the brass from Bethel don't receive the same treatment and experience the tears of pain because they feel useless to Jehovah? Let's try the same tactics used by Locals Only and apply it to Bethels older members by telling their older Bethel Family members "its your problem to get to a DC, we are only worried for ourselves and our own family." As my brother put this "I am not in a position to help you, sorry!" Let's stop checking up on them once they are too old to be of service for our Organization. If those Bethel Brothers can't peform, put them away in some dumpy run down Rest home and let's forget they existed they exact way that is taking place with people as young as 40 to 60, it's really ugly what goes on with 70 to 100s, some are left to die alone and cry when the District Convention dates approach because they do not have anyone who is capable of handling their special needs like the nurses that traveled with one older Member of the Organization. He had every luxury your donations could afford and taught a message that contradicted all the practices taking place through the Brotherhood. This topic of the elderly being abused really pisses me off because I see the hypocrisy and genuine carelessness for the long time servants of our God and his Son Jesus Christ. Good Night Sweet Sister Lois and I hope you have sweet dreams and a nice day tomorrow, peace and love to your Sis!

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

If Atheist are Humanist and their goals are the benefit of the betterment of mankind, why was there so much killing when the godless men finally reached a position where they could make a change for the better of the human experience? Do we fall back on the excuses used by the religions condemmed by Humanist like Sam Harris who neatly wrap up all bad things Atheist leaders did and rebrand them under a different worldview or belief system?

Nobody want's to take ownership of men who share their view that "God is Dead" or "There is not life after death", "we do not have to worry about a Divine Punishment because when your gone, your gone!" Christians and other religions are forced to own up to their Kooks who killed in the most bloody fashion, it's about time people like Sam Harris and Dawkins embrace men who were part of the Atheist family and own up to their mistakes. I get tired of people ducking when it come's to accepting the whackos of every family. Religion has their crazy family members and so do Atheist "Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and others who helped contribute to the deaths (various estimates go into the 80 to 250 million killed) Millions! The jury is still out on Hitler, which side was he truly on will not be proven, that's my opinion currently. Why can't people own up to their crazies?

Some person started a thread on why success is more pleasure than failure, I actually am in the camp where I belive I learn more from my failures than I do with sucess. I related how the Japanese Manufactures of various products forced their Plants to produce the output which would break down the Assembly line. The point where production is stopped and they bring in engineers to figure out why their machines got hot and broke. The Japanese learned to increase output by learning where they went wrong, it seems strange to us because we are only success driven in America or the Western World, we view failure as a moral short-coming and try to hide from this. I saw this in the Brokerage Industry in 1987, 1996, April 2000 to 2002 3rd Quarter and back again in 2008 to end of 2009. Failure was dodged and ducked from, nobody wanted to say "We really screwed up because their ego is so intertwined with success. Why do you think admitting to failures in our beliefs or business is avoided in the Western Society?

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

steve, I always enjoy your input and reasonable nature on other threads, seeing you post and reading them are always enjoyable no matter what side of the issue you are on. You have a style that command respect and communicate a very educated mind, thank's for posting on this thread!

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Prologos, I saw those videos and believed the lie taught by the Society that Hitler was a good Catholic who agreed to create the Pax Romana Two or Three? JWs were taught that Hitler promised that the Church would be the beneficiary of his madness and power grabbing across Europe and the rest of the World. Were they mad Hitler rebuked Rutherford "Face the Facts", oh wait! Rutherford never attempted to speak with Hitler but exposed the Nazi Concentration Camps before any New Media did. The Golden Age broke the story wide open about Hitler's genocide against the Jews, that's the history I was taught about Hitler as a JW.

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Did You Lie and Say You Would Attend Another District Convention When You Were Given A Assignment Without Choice? We can't listen from the Help Desk or Info Desk.

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how many of you who had the responsiblities holding down posts at the district convention lied to the little children and friends by saying "i am going to come back in next month for another district assembly?

" when they asked you "when are you going to be able to enjoy the lifesaving message jehovah's faithful slave has provided for you?

as julia orwell noticed at the district convention there are brothers usually who do not pay attention to the program so tediously made by the faithful slave.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

How many of you who had the responsiblities holding down posts at the District Convention lied to the little children and friends by saying "I am going to come back in next month for another District Assembly?" when they asked you "When are you going to be able to enjoy the lifesaving message Jehovah's Faithful Slave has provided for you?"

As Julia Orwell noticed at the District Convention there are brothers usually who do not pay attention to the program so tediously made by the Faithful Slave. I know the elders and servants are screwed because they are told they will be taking up a post and it's up to them to catch the program at another Convention. Most decent men do not put their family through a "Two District Convention Hardship (It's grounds for divorce in some JW households!) and don't feel like wasting two weeks of their life for the DC. So who were the others? The brothers who drifted from post to post like a tumbleweed blowing in the desert wind? Did they listen to the Convention or was it the "over-active bladder" or "hemorroids" excuse that allowed them to come and loudly speak in the hallways and tell jokes to their friends or talk on the phone? I know one brother who was calling his stock broker and real estate developer in the hallways for the whole three days making money at the Convention. Why don't we hear about those in the experiences?

how many of you actually drove long distance to attend two District Conventions making sure you received the vital, lifesaving message everyone else had to suffer through? I know my brother was one of those who never sat in his chair, he was always playing with his cellphone, texting, checking people out with is binoculars, gliding around various posts to post checking up on District Gossip so he could share this with my Aunt who would put all that gossip into play through the Circuit and District. I hate thinking about all the hardships the poor JW kids have to endure because we parents did not do our job and catch the fraud long before we did. I did want to attend the next district convention but it was so far and two DCs would have killed me. So, I guess I lied to all the friends and kids who asked me if I would be able to view the Drama and enjoy the Holy Spirit direction of the Assembly. I had good intentions, yes "The road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions" that saying applies to me, how about you?

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Prologos, Hitler was not deeply religious! I read a debate with Cardinal Pell of Australia and Dr. Richard Dawkins where "Hitler Ping Pong" is played between the highest Catholic of Australia and the leader of the Angry Atheists (Richard Dawkins). Interestingly, the two men agree "Mao and Stalin were atheist" while Hitler and his Nazi party remain a secular movement furthering Social Darwinism's agenda of human evolution of the superior race.

Not sure how you come to the conclusion Hitler was deeply religious when that fact eludes historical scholars of Nazi Germany. A distinguished professor, Hugh Trevor-Roper at Oxford was ruined when he authenticated a forged diary claiming Hitler was anti-Christian among many other things. If Hitler was such a religious man, why would Hugh Trevor so erroneously committ academic suicide by authenticating a blatant forgery? Previously to reviewing "The Hitler Diaries" Trevor-Roper was successful (read part of his Bio and the rest on Wiki) worked in the "Her Majesty's Service" with his responsiblity of proving Hitler did not leave Berlin alive. Some conspiracy theorist claimed it was the Catholic Church and Christians who forged the "Hitler Diaries" to cover up Hitler's wicked acts to all the Jews and non-Catholic religions. If Hitler was truly a religious man, I do not understand why a very good Historian would destroy his career when the truth of Hitler's purported religious nature was abundant. It's not obvious from a historical point of view if it fooled him and we are still debating which side of the Ping Pong Table Hitler belongs on.

One more point to add, conspiracy theorist claimed Christians forged Flavious Josepheous works to add the name Jesus into History or he would have been forgotten. Conspiracy theorist had a agenda to discredit Eusebious qouting a more ancient Christian tradition about their flight to Pella. What new information was obtained or was this academic mental masteurbation? I enjoy Alex Jones and other men who challenge the System but I need more information to make a informed decession other than speculation that Christians "Stold the Body", "Wrote Flavious Josepheous Works", "Wrote the Hitler Diaries" and other wild topics!

So where did you get your information that claims Hitler was a deeply religious man? I read Hitler was involved in the Occult, Madam Blatvatsky (Grandma of New Age and dwellers in Sedona, Arizona :), really Sedona is beautiful with some very interesting individuals living there.) and how the Nazi's were trying to communicate with the dead, ancient leaders too.

edited to add more information on Trevor-Rope

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Investigating Hitler's last days[edit]

In November 1945, Trevor-Roper was ordered by Dick White, then head of counter-intelligence in the British sector of Berlin to investigate the circumstances of Adolf Hitler's death, and to rebut the Soviet propaganda that Hitler was alive and living in the West. [4] Using the alias of Major Oughton, Trevor-Roper interviewed politicians, military men, and supporting staff who had been present in the Führerbunker with Hitler, and who had been able to escape to the West, including Bernd Freytag von Loringhoven. [5] The investigation resulted in Trevor-Roper's most famous book, The Last Days of Hitler (1947, with revised editions as late as 1995), in which he described the last ten days of Hitler's life, and the fates of some of the higher-ranking members of the inner circle as well of key lesser figures. Trevor-Roper transformed the evidence he gathered into a literary work, with sardonic humour and drama, and was much influenced by the prose styles of two of his favourite historians, Edward Gibbon and Thomas Babington Macaulay. Trevor-Roper claimed he received a death threat from someone in Portugal who claimed to represent the Stern Gang for exalting Hitler. [6]"..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Trevor-Roper

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Nazi ideology was about racial prejuidices and had nothing to do with religious endeavors. The "Hitler Ping Pong" game continues, Captain Obvious, I am sorry but I need to delete my above post, I like what you wrote and I did not give it proper justice! Please excuse my hasty reply, I am not use to such a relatively civil discussion with you Teddy Bear Atheists here.

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Parakeet, I am asking why the Watchtower is not bold enough to take a stand with Christendom and fire back at the Angry Atheist community like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and the loveable (I thought he was a nice bloke) Christopher Hitchens. They can't sit on the sidelines and let the Fundie and Catholics do their job. Instead of attacking Christendom as a enemy, they need to sit down and figure out what they have in common. Time for them to stop being a coward to secularism while using fake teeth to pick on Christendom.

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The Watchtower Writers need to answer this question "Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

how come the watchtower will not side with christendom and address a topic like the following?

what if christendom had allowed islam to spread it's plunder into europe without a fight and great force?

i direct your attention to islam spreading not as a distraction, but to ask the question most atheist have asked me when we talk of this subject.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Cofty can you support your claim that Hitler was a nominal Catholic, like historical sources and actions of Hitler that demonstrate he was a follower of the Church instead of Darwin and the logial Social Darwinism that followed. If Hitler was a Catholic, why did he surround himself with Atheistic, human hating henchmen he personally promoted to their position.

Hitler demonstrated by his actions who he was a follower of, "Elimination of the weakest species plus his personal hatred of Jews from his childhood", nice try but you have not proved Hitler was a follower of the Church. Last time I checked, the Church did not promulgate the mass killings of the poor, sick, mentally ill, vagrants, gypsies, and the only connection you can reach for is the Jews.

The Church had it's collisions with the Jews but never chased them down to rid the World of them. Hunting the Jews down to rid the World of their supposely weak genetics and qualites found it's birth place in secularism and acadamia of the moral condemming philosphies of Europe, not in the Bible!