Posts by ÁrbolesdeArabia

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Personal Territories and Foreign language. A blessing for Fading JW's?

by DATA-DOG in

just a quick thought.

if you are fading just get a personal territory like the km talks about.

say that you go there after work because you just can't make all the weekend service and you want to be busy in the ministry despite your circumstances.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Aware, you plan on talking with nurses, we have a huge influx of nurses coming in from the Phillipines. The OP is a good idea for anyone wanting to fade while falling under the radar.

I think most elders are not watching over "faders" as we might think so, their lives are very hectic and it's easy to forget who is in the Kingdom Hall and who is not. It's not uncommon for someone to walk out of the Kingdom Hall and never be heard from again, as friends forget "weak ones" or "disgruntled ones" or "people with critical thinking skills (a bad trait). High maintanence dubs (mentally ill, depressed or bitter) are the first to be let go, only the ancient diehard members with love check up on those riff-raft :)

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How Did The Watchtower Reason Away Their United Nation Membership Card? Poor Malawi Brothers!

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

the brothers in malawi died, sisters were rapped for not buying a government card which the watchtower organization did for itself with the united nations (ngo status, card carryning members of the wild beast!).

why did the governing body decide it was ok to carry a united nations identification card for the watchtower society as a whole?

this makes no sense, shows how little the governing body and the "dark corporation behind the organization" does not care for jesus christ's little sheep.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

The brothers in Malawi died, sisters were rapped for not buying a Government Card which the Watchtower Organization did for itself with the United Nations (NGO status, card carryning members of the Wild Beast!)

Why did the Governing Body decide it was ok to carry a United Nations identification card for the Watchtower Society as a whole? This makes no sense, shows how little the Governing Body and the "dark corporation behind the Organization" does not care for Jesus Christ's little sheep.

The Watchtower could say with one mouth, it's wrong for a brother to drive a coke truck onto a military base to deliver coca cola, but it's ok for them to "take a walk on the wild side with the "Wild Beast"", how dumb we Witnesses were to think they were any better than Babylon the Great or Christendom!

Did anyone here ever get the official explanation how they broke this information to their rank and file members? Do Jehovah's Witnesses know the Organazation joined the United Nations?

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It's time I face the truth about my belief in God.

by Cagefighter in

i don't beleive in him, at least not like most christians do.

as some have described before the "sky daddy" version of god has not been able to be rationalized by cagefighter's brain for some time.. does this mean i don't believe in a divine power/entity?

does this mean i do not consider my self a christian?

ÁrbolesdeArabia

cagefighter: thank you for taking inside your thought processing system, I enjoyed your post very much!

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It's time I face the truth about my belief in God.

by Cagefighter in

i don't beleive in him, at least not like most christians do.

as some have described before the "sky daddy" version of god has not been able to be rationalized by cagefighter's brain for some time.. does this mean i don't believe in a divine power/entity?

does this mean i do not consider my self a christian?

ÁrbolesdeArabia

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"newbie" post - after eight years registered

by pajaha in

actually, this is my second post as i replied to a thread a few moments ago, but it turns out i originally registered eight years ago but had never posted.. i left in 2000 (from a newport, s wales, congregation) having been brought up in it from about the age of three.

initially, i was obsessed with research and posting to forums but got over it after a few years and just rediscovered this site a couple of days ago.

i just thought it would be worth posting my account of leaving in case it helped others.. i always considered myself to be "strong in the truth" and genuinely believed it,, but i suppose the amount of suppressed doubts had been mounting up and i think it was the summer of 1999 when i first thought of leaving.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Hi pajaha, what would you say was the biggest false doctrine or chains of rules building up your doubts? I enjoyed your post, thanks for sharing how "they" would not take no! Quite odd are they not?

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Fred Franz's say's "Jesus Is Not The Mediator For Every Tom, Dick and Harry!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

when the watchtower developed the "new light" that non-annnoited were not under the mediatorship of jesus christ, murmering started to erupt throughout various parts of "watchtower land", everywhere in every position this crazy lie about jesus christ role with all humanity did not go unchallenged!.

if you have not read the book, buy a copy of the e-book or hard copy.

this book will answer many of your questions about the "why were we dooped?, is it wrong to have a opinion about the bible?

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Yes, like Calvin can take the easy concepts of Christianity and distort them, but does this make them true? We can head back to Pelagious time, long before Calvin and his crazy ideas of Christianity. Was it Augustine who fought against him?

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Fred Franz's say's "Jesus Is Not The Mediator For Every Tom, Dick and Harry!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

when the watchtower developed the "new light" that non-annnoited were not under the mediatorship of jesus christ, murmering started to erupt throughout various parts of "watchtower land", everywhere in every position this crazy lie about jesus christ role with all humanity did not go unchallenged!.

if you have not read the book, buy a copy of the e-book or hard copy.

this book will answer many of your questions about the "why were we dooped?, is it wrong to have a opinion about the bible?

ÁrbolesdeArabia

When the Watchtower developed the "new light" that non-annnoited were not under the mediatorship of Jesus Christ, murmering started to erupt throughout various parts of "Watchtower Land", everywhere in every position this crazy lie about Jesus Christ role with all humanity did not go unchallenged!

If you have not read the book, buy a copy of the E-book or hard copy. This book will answer many of your questions about the "why were we dooped?, Is it wrong to have a opinion about the Bible? How come the Bible does not mention a Governing Body but the Watchtower say's it's in the Bible!"

Newbies and Lurkers please understand this book is not angry, he is not attacking the Watchtower Slave as a "Evil Slave beating his fellow domestics" the malice we were told, he is very loving, a true Bible scholar and loves his fellow Christians. Stop believing the lies spread about him!

"FredFranz, was presiding at the morning Bible text discussion (that being his week to serve as chairman). In his comments, he stated that somewere questioning the Society's position (set forth in a recent Watchtower)that Jesus Christ is the mediator only for the "anointed" ones and not for the other millions of Jehovah's Witnesses..

15 He said of such ones:"They would merge everyone together and make Jesus Christ the mediatorfor every Tom, Dick and Harry."I could not help but think of all the Toms and Dicks and Harrys there present in the headquarters family and wondered how those wordswould sound to them. I knew that there was considerable discussionwithin the family on this subject, some of it definitely unfavorable.The president went on to affirm that the Society's teaching was right.The one text he referred to in Scripture was Hebrews, chapter twelve,and the words:

Page 283 "Crisis of Conscience"

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Two Lies Taught About Ray Franz Jr.

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

1. ray franz went insane and the watchtower society removed him from the governing body out of compassion.. .

"crisis of conscience" is a story of a "man with the agenda to destroy the watchtower", full of hatred and anger.. .

i have finished reading coc and can emphatically tell you, ray writes with great skill, love and compassion for his fellow christians and witnessses.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

@mouthy, his advice is that spoken of a true Christian with no "ax to grind".

Watchtower-Witnesses follow rules they can live with but expect other Witnesses to obey all the rules! We had one elder who gave a talk on how evil homosexuality is, and no Christian would watch them on TV. This same elder brought his wife and daughter to a Depche Mode concert (Homosexual Band, gay activists) with me as the designated driver in case he drank too much (he did, his wife and underage daughter too). Get the point how he is awesome at telling others how to live a life his is unable to live (Romans 8-11) and his anger erupts with young ones who do not bow to his position!

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Man Paid $15,000 For Mitt Romney/Ryan Facial Tatoo!

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/3375-indiana-man-snags-15k-for-romney-campaign-tattoo-on-his-face .

how much would it cost for you to get a tatoo of mitt romney or obama on your face?

this guys made his $15,000, been on late night tv and anderson cooper, fame and money for a silly act.. .

ÁrbolesdeArabia

He acheived his "day of fame", Fox News, CNN, he has offered his other side of his face to another bidder. Did anyone listen to Newt Gingerich calling Romney an idiot for his comments about "Obama giving gifts to Latinos", that's the Newt I like, one not muzzled by the RNC!

@mrsJones, you hit the nail on the head, he will be a guest on that show once somebody makes a acceptable offer to this hero of the republi-cons.

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does anyone feel messed up sexually because of being brought up as jw? like you have missed out, etc?

by johnjones3210 in

hiya,.

i'm new to this forum but just wanted to talk to somebody about this.. i was brought up as a jw and left just over a year ago.

i'm now 26 and feel messed up sexually.

ÁrbolesdeArabia

Were you sexual abused like some members on JWN, humans who are fighting with their whole heart to regain something somebody stold from them? I personally know several members of the "UnHoly Congregation" who have joined JWN in the last year in a attempt to salvage their marriages, or relationships with their same sex spouse, but they are trying with all their might!

I had a conversation with a military recruiter (former Vet in Vietnam, Gulf War 1) who asked me, " why kids seem so fragile to their counterparts of the 1930s-1980s, what is keeping people from doing what they are able to do, with the situation they have?"

I don't understand how the Society can impact someone so young as you now, members on JWN have gone through Hell, have found who they are sexually at late ages of 50, or heading back to college in their 40s or mid 50s, screw those assholes at Bethel and live your life without regrets!