Posts by Honeybucket

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I don't have a good title, just read it

by Honeybucket in

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last night my husband and i watched a special on the history channel about the knights templar.

about two weeks before i showed my husband the 607/587 blunder.

first off, he didn't even know that 607 was relevant to jw teachings.

Honeybucket

The saga continues..

We went out to dinner tonight and we were talking about people who don't like Obama. I tell my husband some I read on here," You can have your own opinion but you can't have your own facts." He totally agreed with and then was when i started to "witness" to him. I told him how that statement reminds me of how the watchtower society has their own opinions and trying to pull it off as a fact over the fall of jeruselem. I asked him if he remembered how that templar special also mentioned that the Fall of J was in 586 and I asked him how the society can come up with the date 1914 if all of their dates are wrong including the difference in the hewbrew calender and the gregarian calender. He nodded with me in full agreement that there was a difference, I let him know that russel used 365 days to calculate 1914. I went about how its a sham. He then said to me, "someone explained it to me before and it made sense" I then proceeded to ask him how it is possible to have one account have two different days. It is wrong.Period. No ifs and or buts about it. It does not add up. I asked him if he remembered the deffinition of cognitive dissonance, he didn't so I reminded him. He didn't say anything so i decided to get off of that subject onto how it can't be gods organization if the bible specifically says that if false prophecies and predictions were made, then it was not gods religion. Well, the bible is clear about that so why should I not be able to go to a differnt church to serve god. Why is soul to be forever damned because I am to prideful or brainwashed to seek out god and jesus at another place of worship. I aksed him if he ever had a personal relationship with jesus and if he has accepted him as his personal saviour. He said NO! what a christian.. to not accept jesus. I asked him he wanted to and he can without the WTS they don't have a Jehovah trademarked. God is everywhere and available to everyone not just Jehovah's witnesses. On the way back home I drove him by the church that I have been attending. I showed him that it is in a warehouse and not a church and its for the community and non denominational. He didn't even know what non-denomination was. He sounded more receptive to the idea today.

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I don't have a good title, just read it

by Honeybucket in

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last night my husband and i watched a special on the history channel about the knights templar.

about two weeks before i showed my husband the 607/587 blunder.

first off, he didn't even know that 607 was relevant to jw teachings.

Honeybucket

Last night my husband and I watched a special on the History Channel about the Knights Templar. About two weeks before I showed my husband the 607/587 blunder. First off, he didn't even know that 607 was relevant to JW teachings. So I showed him and he was surprised. Well, while we were watching the show it mentioned that the fall of jeruselem as 586, I am not sure if my husband noticed, although I am sure he connected the dots, because when he started to talk about the show to his mother I chimed in and told her how surpised I was to see that the Knights Templar lived and excavted King solomons Temple after the Fall of Jersuselem in 586. No one even noticed what I said. They looked at me like they had no idea what I was even talking about. For one of their fundamental teachings, these people don't know squat about their religion...At least I wasn't in hotwater for letting that one slip, my hubby did give me a stink eye though. Oh well, I hope it was a reminder to him that his religion is a sham.

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new church, new feelings

by Honeybucket in

recently i have been going to a new church called christ the king.

it's not a megachurch but smaller size.

it's not in a typical church, rather they worship in a warehouse.

Honeybucket

recently I have been going to a new church called Christ the King. It's not a megachurch but smaller size. It's not in a typical church, rather they worship in a warehouse. Perhaps they call it a temple instead. I started this class the other called discovery and it does a rundown of christianity. I have no plans to jump the broom with this church, I am really more curious than anything and I really don't know whether I believe in Jesus or not. It seems to me that in the organization they didn't really promote a kinship like they do with Jehovah. For me this helps me learn about me and what I truly believe. Another aspect i like is that they are very social. Many different groups to join, in fact because I mentioned an adventure/explorer club, the next sunday they told me there are plans in the making all because of me. I do wonder if this is their versian of love bombing. I am so suspicious of all churches because of the WTS, I sometimes wonder if its all in my head. So going back to the discovery class, I am being taught the basics from a little book that has only scriptures and diagrams. The people that were the leaders, a husband and a wife, told me about themselves, they used to be party people I told them i was also one once upon a time. Probably not to the degree they were. The husband also told me that he believed in a different kind of evolution, where people in a different region look different because of their climates and food. I told him that I agree with him and how I have never understood how many different men from one place all look so different and they only came from 2 people, adam and eve. They also talked with me a bit about shunning. The told me that his old church wanted to shun a girl because she was pregnant and he didn't like the idea so he left, but he then explained that shunning is in the bible, but the JW's take it to in extreme. Their idea of shunning is you don't hang out with people that do bad things, but talking to them is fine. I never asked what they considered a "shunning offense." But with my suspicious attitude I wondered if these people we saying these thing in order to really find out if I am compatible with their church. Kind of like an interview. Am I ruined by the WTS, am I all out of faith. I wouldn't care if it is Budha or Judiasm. I need something because everytime I close my eyes, my mind fixates on death and how I cannot fathom the fact that I would no longer exist, at all ever again. Even if it is a lie, I need something to put my mind at ease and stop living in fear. I know what your thinking, cognitive dissonance from one religion to the other, just stay with the cult if that is how you feel. But if I am just going to live a religious lie, I want freedom to do what I want to do. I just want to be spiritually happy. I better stop now because I can go on forever.

Thanks for the ear

Honeybucket

19

It's back to back to back

by never a jw in

three hits in a row.

2010 the overlapping generation.

2011 when was ancient jerusalem destroyed.

Honeybucket

Wanna hear something funny?

After the 2011 convention, when I was still a gung-ho witness, I had mentioned out in service how exciting it is that the society had changed their previous idea of the toes, heel, foot of the statue. I can't remember word for word what I said, but I am pretty sure it would have been taken as a dig on the GB and their new lite because after I said that comment, you could hear crickets and the sisters were all looking at eachother bug eyed. Ive been thinking about that day alot lately and it made me wonder this: a. I had sounded like an apostate making fun of their ever changing doctrine or b. These ladies didn't believe the crap spewed out at the DC. Or maybe they had no idea what I was talking about. I always look for signs of dissidence when chatting with witnesses about new light. I even got two "annointed" to admit their annoyance about the new light, I shouldnt have done this in a group setting because I am sure I am marked as a possible apostate.

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The Watchtower BTS now teaches the Rapture

by Julia Orwell in

note what the reasoning book said about the rapture in 1984:.

rapture.

definition: the belief that faithful christians will be bodily caught up from the earth, suddenly taken out of the world, to be united with the lord in the air.

Honeybucket

I had thought all annointed must die oneway or another before the great tribulation starts. I don't remember any talk of Jah taking their souls before their death

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It's back to back to back

by never a jw in

three hits in a row.

2010 the overlapping generation.

2011 when was ancient jerusalem destroyed.

Honeybucket

If I remember correctly the ten toes is the statue of the man in Daniel's prophecy made of copper, bronze gold, ect. It's suppose to represent the different kings that had come into power and the society had always said that we are at the feet until a couple years ago the decided we are actually at the toes of this statue which means the end is even closer than we imagine. I may have the details wrong but thats the gist of it.

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Do other churches use the name Jehovah?

by barry in

i have seen on this site recordings of jw elders at tribunal meetings claim other churches hate the name jehovah.

one former baptist now jw elder said other churches hate the name and never use it.

please look at the following and there are many more hymns not included than these.

Honeybucket

I have been secretly attending christ the King church and they use the Jehovah in sermons and in their songs. I also have the bible app on my iphone and the american standard version also uses Jehovah. I think the reason why alot of churchs avoides the name Jehovah is because it leaves a sour, cultish taste in peoples mouth. When using that name, instead of drawing attention only to God, it draws attention to the witnesses and not in a good way

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I found out a JW friend of mine has an addiction to torturing animals!

by Vienna Angelika in

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last night i found out a close jw friend of mine takes delight in watching animal torture.

i am an animal lover, and i dont know what to think.

i dont want to end our friendship because this friend has been very accepting of me.

Honeybucket

of mice and men situation or a jeffery Dahmer situation?

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My thoughts on the 2013 Memorial

by BU2B in

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i went to what i hope will be my last memorial last night, and my thoughts are similiar to what many have expressed here already but here is what i took away.

i can tell from previous reviews that all the speakers seem to be sticking pretty close to the outline, so it dosent matter much who gives it, you cant diverge from what "mother" says.. 1. no time was given to really appreciate the suffering jesus endured all for the sake of forgiving our sins.. 2. all thanks was given to jehovah for jesus sacrifice.

while i apprecite what the father went through here, on the memorial of christs death, shouldnt the appreciation and honor be given directly to him?.

Honeybucket

In the hall I am forced to attend, the elder talked alot about what the witnesses are doing around the world this memorial and the sacrifices they have made over the years and how in many lands the preaching work and witnesses are banned and prosecuted. All of the attention was witnesses, GB and Jehover. We didn't even read the account about jesus's death or the passover.. nada.. it was referenced but he told us to not turn there.

On another note:

My husband on the way there (we were late, he was mad) fumed how because of me we probably wont be able to find seats because it will be so packed, and we will have to park down the street. When we got there only 40% of the parking lot was full and when we got inside there may have been 50-60 people max. I explained to my husband that this religion is out the door dying and that they shouldn't even bother passing out invitations door to door since nobody EVER comes to it. It's a waste of time, paper, gas, energy, ect. He had no comment on these things since he saw what little attendace there was.

He mentioned to me when we got home that he over heard someone saying that there was 100 people at the memorial, "my ass 100 people were there, it was empty" I was so proud at that moment; he noticed the cognitive dissonance, even though he doesn't know what that term means.

HB

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anti-shunning

by Honeybucket in

Honeybucket

Thank you ffor your input. My husband and I, who disagrees about shunning, agreed to write a paper defending our point of views in the matter. I hope I sink his battleship