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  Keep Free From Murmuring....Are YOU A Murmurer?

  by minimus in

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  11-15 02 states:"persistent murmurers attach too much importance to their feelings or position, drawing attention to themselves rather than to god.

  if not checked, this causes dissension among spiritual brothers and hinders their efforts to serve jehovah shoulder to shoulder.this is so because murmurers invariably voice their complaints, doubtless hoping that others will sympathize with them.

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  This is a typical JW assumption...assume the worst in motives of people. Without digging deeper, the foundation is laid that murmurers "draw attention to themselves rather than to God", yet, typically an opposer will try to draw attention to the issue at hand, which the Witness will try to avoid, because digging deeper will reveal the UGLY truth that he cannot face.

  "doubtless" hoping that others will sympathize with them...again, the skillful writing department using this whisker word attempts to disempower the reader from arriving at any other conclusion than the one that they wish the reader to come to. The WTS loves using these types of words, like doubtless, unquestionably, evidently, etc. in their Watchtower propaganda.

  What makes them think that the murmurer is necessarily drawing attention to himself and/or wanting others to be sympathetic? Or caring about "position" for that matter? What causes this assumption? What about actually dealing with the complaint at issue?
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  New JW web site tackles tough issues

  by watchman in

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  site dicusses silentlambs, ngo, 1914, and other topics, offering fresh biblical perspective.

  http://www.e-watchman.com/index.html

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  Yeah, the address is listed in Downtown Toronto, which is either primarily the 416 or the new 647 area code, yet he lists the Georgetown Bethel phone number in the 905 area code which covers the periphery of the GTA. (along with 289 now).
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  ONE MORE ISSUE ON IRAQ

  by Yerusalyim in

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  hey saddam and all you peace nics!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  na na da boo boo!!!!!!!!

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  sunscapes

  yes thi chi, that's a Rush Limbaugh quote from last week.

  Just to be fair, do you have talent on loan from God?
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  Shunned Father's daughter dies

  by Joyzabel in

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  thursday, september 5, 2002 .

  jehovah's witness teen dies.

  by carol harrington -- the canadian press.

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  OK. I haven't posted in a while...but I just saw an interview with the two parties' lawyers on CTV Canada AM this morning. Shane, the girl's mother's lawyer, said in closing that the mother "would have supported her daughter no matter what decision she made."

  To quote Wayne Gretzky, I suspect that that's a "crock of bull."

  At sixteen, though, maybe more credence should have been allowed to make her own medical choices as a "mature minor".

  Having said that, I'm not a fan of transfusions...if I had no other clear choice I would take them, but I would rather have my own blood stored and then reinfused if the circumstances permitted it (i.e. elective surgery.)

  Other than that, I just shake my head at what acrimony religious beliefs cause.
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  Last Sunday's Watchtower study

  by Room 215 in

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  has anyone else noted that in last sunday's study article (june 15 wt), i believe on paragraph 16, the one ``bible study aid'' i consider to be indispensible -- the concordance-- was conspicuous by its absence: the only ones cited were the insight on the scriptures, and the cd-rom ``watchtower library.

  '' in these latter two cases, both contain material now considered to be ``old light'' and hence harmful to one's spiritual health.

  it would seem to me that they don't want anyone reading the bible in the absence of these two watchtower prisms.

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  Well, the Aid to Bible Understanding was contributed to by Ray Franz, and the WT CD-Rom contains revisions to the printed versions.

  That figures.
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  JW's tried to cheat state in Norway

  by Aaac in

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  jw's tried to cheat money of the norvegian government.

  they told the authorities that they have more members than they actually do.

  eventually, they got nothing.

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  Well, pay would be nice, but now they're relegated to the social welfare class of collecting government subsidies. Yet they want to have the taxpayer cake and eat it too by concealing their (likely cooked) books.
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  15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense

  by JanH in

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  scientific american runs an article rebutting some of the most common creationist arguments.

  short and to the point.. this is the first page.

  click for the following ones.. see http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleid=000d4fec-7d5b-1d07-8e49809ec588eedf&catid=2.

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  Yeah, exactly, what is a Jew anyway? Or what does one look like? Good point.

  I sympathize with those on here that are critical of the way parties to the debate tend to sound harsh, but hard-core creationists are also overzealous in applying half-truths and contortions as well. I think that, like other issues, the real truth lies somewhere in between; perhaps slanted toward evolution and adaptation theories, but in between nonetheless. It's when both sides dig in their heels and treat the subject as a dichotomy that good discussion and thought derails, I find.

  When you're brought up a loyal and zealous JW proclaimer, you're gonna hold a certain point of view.

  When you're brought up a loyal and zealous JW, then get kicked in the nuts by that same organization, you're gonna hold a certain point of view.

  When you're brought up a loyal and zealous JW, get kicked in the nuts by them, and then build a solid body of evidence against them, then you're yet gonna hold a certain point of view.

  How much we strive to filter these biases out of research will correspondingly determine the intellectual value of that research.
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  Going out in service......once again.

  by LuckyLucy in

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  well...it's sunday again and its time for me to get ready to go "out in service".. exept now, instead of putting on a long dowdy skirt , blouse up to my fricking neck and geeky shoes, i will be putting on sweat pants,a tee shirt and high top rebocks.. instead of carry a bag with watchtowers and awakes..i have a backpack with leaflets about protecting your children.. 25 years ago if anyone told me i would be doing this i would have said your out of your mind!!.

  thank you wt for stripping my dignity away by sending me door to door preaching your bull shit.. because now...every door i go to i am slowing regaining my dignity and self worth.. thank you wt for training me so well...how does it feel to have your own "weapon" aimed back at you??

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  Spiritual terrorism more aptly describes the JWs. In fact, the "Jehovah God" false god they portray is nothing but a terrorist, who rules with fear. And they advocate physical terrorism, too, in preaching about wiping out 99.99% of the human population.

  F.E.A.R. stands for False Evidence that Appears Real. This describes their false predictions to a "T". It appears real because Witnesses make important secular decisions in life around those predictions, even making them a way of life. And, of course, it is based upon clearly falsified "evidence" from the Bible. It is the foundation of mind control, or "mental-regulating", and this in turn is the root of terrorism, spiritual or otherwise.
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  Dateline Time Confirmed...8 EDT, 7 Central Tues.

  by sunscapes in

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  "we will see you tuesday, at a special time, 8 eastern, 7 central.".

  right from the horse's mouth on tonight's show.. that settles it.

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  Hey Hawk! G'Day! Thank God our Ontario Public Servants are back...lol...hopefully not too grumpy over that work stoppage!
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  Dateline Time Confirmed...8 EDT, 7 Central Tues.

  by sunscapes in

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  "we will see you tuesday, at a special time, 8 eastern, 7 central.".

  right from the horse's mouth on tonight's show.. that settles it.

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  "We will see you Tuesday, at a special time, 8 Eastern, 7 Central."

  Right from the horse's mouth on tonight's show.

  That settles it.