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  When Is Disfellowshipping Appropriate?

  by Englishman in

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  is the societies policy of shunning unrepentant miscreants scriptural?

  this is what the nwt has to say:.

  moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

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  Gumby, Ozzy & E-man: I analyzed what you said in your first posts. Gumby said,

  "Stop associating with him. Yet do not consider him an enemy, but admonish him as a brother";

  Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother who is a .......

  In both of these scriptures the SAME greek word is used for 'stop associating with'. However, the society applies different meanings in these two cases and even changes the wording in NWT.

  Both scriptures show you wouldn't RUN with someone of that caliber.
  However if one scripture shows to admonish him as a brother, then the same application applies in the other scripture.

  1st. corinthians 5:11 was a case of bragging by the sinner AND the congregation of the sin. This was a unique situation that would rarely occur

  So I went to the NWT for wording on these, and compared them thru the Society's own Kingdom Interlinear.

  2 Thess. 3:14 reads, "If but anyone not is obeying to the word of us through the letter, this (one) be you putting sign on, NOT TO MIX UP SELVES WITH him, in order that he might be turned in; and not as enemy be you considering, but be you putting mind in as a brother."

  1 Cor. 5:11 reads, "Now but I wrote to you NOT TO BE MIXING UP SELVES WITH if ever anyone brother being named may be fornicator or covetous (one) or idolater or reviler or drunkard or snatcher, to the such (one) not-but to be eating with."

  Yup, your right, the identical Greek is used here in the two scriptures. In order for consistency, the "putting mind in as a brother" would have to be applied to both, yet the NWT has contrarily translated the two, even though the Greek word with the Greek characters are identical in both scriptures.

  As Englishman mentioned, anyone handled this way would have no lower status as "a man of the nations" that is, not any different than one who they would meet on the street or call on in the field! Thus the shunning policy is proven unscriptural.

  You think you have worries? You should know what the US military knows.
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  Bush administration and the press

  by Seeker in

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  op-ed piece in the times: http://partners.nytimes.com/2002/03/02/opinion/02rich.html.

  an excerpt:.

  "the president's sentiments were no doubt sincere, as is his muscular pursuit of the killers.

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  And Bush is being picked on now because he is the one in power at the moment. When the next guy takes over in 2005, I'll start pointing out his lies and propaganda. I'll keep doing this until people wake up to the way they are being taken in by partisan propaganda. Those two sentences above are evidence to me that you have been taken in by conservative propaganda.

  Thank you Seeker. Yes, it is both sides. When I was talking with you before, I was very much pro-Bush. It must have been too much Rush Limbaugh. Guilty as charged. Only in the last month or so have I been privy to information as to how much Bush is misled (as he is the big Texas oilman) especially in environmental/energy policies.

  Case in point: The administration continues not to persue seriously alternative energy sources: they still bull-headedly want to drill in Alaska, but hydrogen energy sources and wind-power get short shrift. Ironically, even Shell wants to get involved in these new infrastructures, but it's like Bush is turning a deaf ear.

  Then, the administration outrageously denies the existence of chem-trails, yet definitive evidence has existed for four years or more that they exist. For example, see

  http://www.columbusalive.com/2002/20020124/012402/01240206.html

  and related Coast-to-Coast AM info on

  http://www.artbell.com/ (Wednesday, February 27, 2002 show.)

  Not only are these chemtrails used as we speak in the Afghan theatre by helping to propagate radar, but I seen some last week in the Detroit area. Be sure to note the pictoral evidence on Art's site as well. These experiements are the greatest health threat we currently face, yet nobody seems to notice them or care about them, for that matter. And the secrecy is sickening.

  Anyway, Seeker, I apologize for what I've said to you in the past, and I'll admit when I'm wrong.
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  What do people/souls do in heaven?

  by David Gladden in

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  i'm always hearing about people wanting to goto heaven... .

  1. what exactly are people/souls supposed to do in heaven?

  2. if you believe in heaven, why?.

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  "Heaven" is just simply another dimension whereby our spiritual selves exit our body and become another form of energy. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. According to much of the study in the metaphysical community, there could be as many as 11 dimensions--maybe more. Time is unique to our dimension. Just as in our dimension, spirit entities have all kinds of degrees of benevolence towards themselves and us.

  Just my "paradigm" (20 cents) worth.
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  If you believe it, is it still a lie?

  by thinker in

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  i know of an active jw who lies.

  the thing is, this person probably believes what they're saying is true.

  they are basically lying to themselves first, then repeating it to my wife and me.

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  Beliefs and facts can be likened to a table. In order for a belief to be solid, it must be propped up by a series of facts and experiences which tell you it's true. Take out a fact, here and there, and the belief could still hold. Take out many or all of the facts, and the belief falls flat, like the table top on three legs or less. A belief gets progressively unsteady. Build it with many solid facts, like a table with 356 legs, and you couldn't crush it with a bulldozer. Then the belief becomes a conviction.

  For many here, visiting this website obliterates many "legs" of false reasonings and interpretations and impressions, causing their whole table of belief to come crashing flat.

  Adding new legs, testing the ones you've got, and strengthening them, is the only way to maintain true convictions. Convictions should be arrived at carefully. Otherwise, the belief is shaky, at best.
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  Why I think the Borg will have another enemy soon.

  by Mindchild in

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  there is that old story i'm reminded of sometimes about the world being full of three types of people.

  the people who make things happen, the people who watch things happen, and the people who have no idea of what is going on.

  i thought you might want to at least be in the second catagory so i wanted to share something i found interesting with you.. i have two short poems and a short story for you to read below, and if you care to read these you might find something quite remarkable about them.. long years have passed.

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  Jan, you said,

  Perhaps enormous computing power and sophisticated evolutionary algorithms will one day prove sufficient to create true articifical intelligence. Hopefully, we will know intelligence when we see it. But I will not bet that this is enough to create true AI.

  I think you're right. For true AI, for starters, self-awareness (or consciousness) would have to be reached. If in the study of metaphysics, scientists discover how energy entities traverse between dimensions, then perhaps we could be closer to that goal.

  I may sound far-fetched, but I would much rather deal with scientific principles and reasoning and factual discoveries with evidence then a whole bunch of hypothetical interpretations of religious texts.
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  The Pope...

  by Abaddon in

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  ... well, in addition to condoms being bad, now the pope says lawyers who work on divorce cases are doing something bad.. poor old guy; he should retire, but he really believes and will likely die in harness or become so decrepit that he is no longer capable and will be replaced.. however, at least jw's don't corner the market in saying stupid things!.

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  people living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

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  After this Pope it is said there'll be only one more...working with the Antichrist with "olive" in his name...

  By the way, what the heck is the Vatican doing buying an observatory in the high desert???
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  Depression Anyone??[:(][:(]

  by plmkrzy in

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  lately ive been feeling really paranoid about the post with worst congs i tried deleting mine but cant.

  im probably stressing over nothing.

  maybe my meds need adjusting, i dont know.

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  Pay particular attention to vitamin B-12: many have malabsorption problems with this and don't realize it...a monthly injection "may" be required in some circumstances. Today's processed foods are partly to blame.
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  Special Dub Words That Make You Go YUK!

  by Englishman in

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  for me, the word was "loving".. great "loving" kindness.. great undeserved "loving" kindness!.

  disfellowshipping is a "loving" provision.. when the wtbts want their accolytes to swallow another bitter pill, another restriction, another rebuke, another demand on time, the buzz word is "loving".. the "loving" word, is, to the average jw, the same as the mccabe nod is to the salesman.

  the mccabe nod is used by salesman all the time to get the prospective customer to agree to something that he doesn't care for too much.

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  "Scripturally...anything e.g. divorce" (denotes arrogating to themselves the absolute correct interpretation)

  "Apostate" "Apostate Thinking" "Independent Thinking"

  "False Religion" "World Empire Of False Religion" (like there's a 100% true religion)

  Many many other jargon mentioned here.

  Oh, I almost forgot..."Millions Now Living Will Never Die"
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  For YOU KNOW: GREENSPAN Testifies!

  by Utopian Reformist in

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  testimony of chairman alan greenspan.

  the state of the economy.

  before the committee on the budget, u.s. senate .

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  You Know what, You Know, you're right on with your last post...what the average doesn't realize is that Argentina went tits up with a fraction of the Great American Credit Card! As you touched on, overextension on all levels coupled with financial industry's constant risk exposure to derivatives spells CERTAIN disaster. It's a matter of WHEN the Great Repo Man calls in all the margins.

  Are you sure you're the same You Know as before, or impersonating him? ;-)
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  Okay Fess Up: What's Your Handle Mean?

  by Mindchild in

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  okay fess up: whats your handle mean?.

  my handle: mindchild comes from computer scientist and futurist dr. hans moravec: who wrote the book, the future of robot and human intelligence which is a book about when we will be able to construct machines capable of human intelligence and raises the possibility of uploading ourselves (every thought we ever had) into an android body much superior to the human ones we have now.

  i entertain the hope that not only will i live long enough to see this happen, i will transfer myself (the complete essence of what is me) into a body of my own choosing and become immortal if i so choose.

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  Cygnus, remember you were "Born In The Truth". what the heck does THAT mean? just teasing...

  sunscapes speaks for itself...better off on an island.