"Talk to the hand?" Well, if her ears and brain are there....
Tell her to ask Lyman Swingle about how he feels about Ray Franz!!
The BACK OF MY HAND, as we Scots would say! Ignorant prisssy goodie-two-shoes, she sounds like.
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My Sister's At Bethel Right Now
by bluesapphire inwonder if she'll have to be face to face with the three new york articles that came out today.. i'm crossing my fingers and praying.
she's a sociologist (believe it or not) and knows about social issues.
just that she says "talk to the hand" whenever anything is negative about dubs.. but this -- this she wont be able to ignore.
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Silentlambs:Response from JW re: pedophile issue:
by stocwach inhere is a response from a dub whom i emailed the press link from the courier journal yesterday (i will be meeting with him in a couple weeks, so any comments/rebuttals from you would be greatly appreciated):.
"wasn't dateline successfully sued by gm for their doctored report on the (as.
dateline called it the exploding gm pick-up truck controversy) fuel tank.
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Good to see 'ya again, Hawk!
What dung has said is what I have been saying to Bill and others for months.
I cannot stress how important it is to hit them with this door knocking stuff. Its a killer and this is what gives the story legs and separates this stupid cult from the rest.Exactly...what's worse? That a molester gives a talk from a platform, passes a mic, works the sound system, or shows up at your door "casing the joint" or "checking out your merchandise"? It's because that field service is "required" vs. the first three are "privileges or positions" that's the salient point.
Volunteer Bible Educational Work? MUHAHAHAHAH for sure.
So now perverse-minded molesters have a perverted motivation for getting increased time in the door-to-door work. Ironically, this increased activity will undoubtedly, after a while at least, set up these ones for ADDITIONAL privileges (based on setting a good example in field service). Great, just great.
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WANTING to Believe in God
by dobby inhas anyone had this experience?.
after letting go of my beliefs as a jw, i felt the only alternative was to be atheist.
or maybe it is just logical to there is no god when i am only listening to my mind and not my heart.
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You're right SaintSatan, when Uncle Penn said, "Please don't!", my mind goes "Why not? What's there to hide?" It's like the WTS all over again. "Please don't study religious literature!" "Please don't read Crisis of Conscience (almost done now!)" "Please don't take post-secondary education!" Please don't THINK, for G*d's sake.
Danion Brinkley, and PAM REYNOLDS come to mind of outstanding, well, not NEAR death, but DEATH experiences, as far as I'm concerned.
Tell me this: how is it possible that the spiritual entity has not left the body when such ones can, for example, read a ceiling fan's label facing the TOP of the room and correctly recall it, or, in Pam's case, correctly describe complex medical instruments that she would have NO KNOWLEDGE OF, that is, she was a musician, not a medical professional. She describes it well, when she says that life on earth is like a UNIVERSITY for us to understand how to better live for eternity. A university means LEARNING, not "Please don't"!
Please DO!
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Were you a virgin on your wedding night?
by montag inif you were a good little 'raised in the truth' jw then the answer should be 'yes'.. so let's here from you.. [stands up] my name is montag and i was a 22 year old virgin on my wedding night.. .
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Does someone stroking you until you cum in your bathing suit count?
Thought not.
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Can a body shop steal your car
by bboyneko incan a body shop refuse to return your vehicle for an unpaid bill, especially if the signed repair order does not authorize any billing without an estimate?.
does this constitute stealing?
how can they possibly refuse to return property that belongs to you?
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Well, sheesh, I'm glad you 2 made it thru away from that big F-5 tornado that just pummeled your state! ...maybe that's what the body work was for?
It don't take much hail to turn a car into swiss cheese.
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Freedom of Thought in the BORG
by SYN ini decided to start a separate thread to discuss this prickly topic, after almost posting this here:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/post.asp?id=341913&method=reply&site=3.
there are many factors to this whole mess of dubdom, but amongst the scariest to me is the fact that the minute you question the doctrine, you're kicked out.
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So, these guys VOTE on issues which are responsible for people LIVING or DYING. I particularly love that aspect of the BORG, the person who decides if you live or die must cast a vote about it. Delightful, dont'cha think? For the mothers here: How would you like it if, during childbirth, the doctors surrounding your bed voted on whether or not to abort your child for you? This is exactly the same sort of decision these old boys with their giant delusions of faith are taking upon themselves, and the consequences in both cases are the same: People die as a result of their malformed doctrinal policies. Defend THAT, DUBS!
SYN, you must be psychic. Just as I was posting responding to You Know, you mention GB voting procedure. I'll state it again: not only do the old boys vote, but they require TWO-THIRDS majority! So, therefore, an 11-6 vote is NOT good enough! Ray Franz outlines this lunacy quite well in Crisis of Conscience which chapter I've just finished. So even if 11 out of 17 of GB feels the blood doctrine should be changed, it still remains, despite the fact that lives are involved and 11 GB members actually agree with your position.
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Watchtower Vs The Ratbot
by ThiChi inthey can now control rats from implants using a laptop.
for some reason, this worries me.
is it because of my jw background, where control is not done though a computer, but through the pages of the watchtower and enforced on the local level by the congregation task masters (i.e., elders)?
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It reminds me of the Emperor and the Empire of the Daleks. There is so much similarity with the Daleks to the Governing Body/ JWs it's astounding.
What's called science fiction uncannily seems to be based on fact, but not yet discovered until some time future.
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I've been studying.........
by bchapp ini have been studying with the jw's for several years.
they have been pressuring me to become one of them, but something seems to be holding me back, instinct maybe?
i agree a lot of their teaching are good, and i'm sure are the truth but here are a few of the things that bother me: jw's use the scripture hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the gathering of yourselves together...... to justify their meetings.
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In the Aid book, it admits that when the Bible refers to God's
name, it often doesn't mean "Jehovah" - as in Ezekiel, when it
says "they shall know my name".Yes Metatron, thank God for Ray Franz, co-writer of the lovely Aid book, which sought to support fact rather than WTS dogma.
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Instinct shouldn't be a deciding factor. After all, animals are governed by instinct. Jehovah expects us to use our powers of reason to discern from the Bible and determine what his will is for us.
Well, first of all, we should use both. Instinct is important to use, but society and religion generally discourages it, so it sits and becomes an unused muscle. Unlike many claim, it is not "spiritistic" or "demonic". Elsewise God wouldn't have created this inborn sixth sense within us.And, of course, YK is right in saying that God expects us to use our God-given brains to discern stuff. Remember that when you're reading the next WT copy. Reserve for yourself the right to DISCERN and actually see for yourself what's wheat and what's tares.
And, finally, remember that the Bible itself is full of mistakes and human error (that's what makes it believable): just because an apostle says something in the first century, don't assume it's endorsed by Jesus. Apostles often adjusted thinking on matters as they went on in life. What was done then should/shouldn't be copied today, depending on the circumstances and in accordance of what Jesus DIRECTLY taught.
In reality, our load is LIGHT, and people trying to add extra burdens/requirements were condemned by Christ. Nobody on their own can measure up to perfect requirements. That's why we are saved by a gift of grace, not works. There are people out there who truly cannot deep down believe this is true, and the way they treat their fellow man betrays this.
Just remember, the boyz making the rulez in Brooklyn always have this niggling thing to require TWO-THIRDS majority to sign off on anything; this makes change slower than reversing the Titanic, and causes unneeded heartache and suffering. If you read Ray's book, he goes in to eloquent detail in all that supposedly "spirit-directed" men really do behind closed board-room doors.
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Can a body shop steal your car
by bboyneko incan a body shop refuse to return your vehicle for an unpaid bill, especially if the signed repair order does not authorize any billing without an estimate?.
does this constitute stealing?
how can they possibly refuse to return property that belongs to you?
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if anything DOES end up on your credit, then DEFINITELY sue them for incorrect reporting, and proven damages as a result (e.g. increased interest rates, denials, etc.) and have them inform the credit reporting agencies to have the derogatory info removed.
I second Scully's motion.
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another priest arrested today
by orbison inmiddlesex county district attorney martha coakley announces that shanley has been arrested.
san diego, california (cnn) -- a retired roman catholic priest accused of molesting boys during his decades as a religious leader in the boston area was arrested thursday morning by san diego, california, police -- with whom he had once volunteered -- on three counts of raping a child with force.
paul shanley, 71, has been at the center of a scandal rocking the archdiocese of boston.
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Regardless of religious affiliation, circumcised or not...