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  Do any Bethel/WT ip addresses visit here often?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  website owners can get reports of ip addresses that visit their website.

  it would be funny to find out if this site gets regular visits from wt locations.

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  Richard_I

  When I was at Bethel, I tried accessing this site and got the big "THIS WEBSITE HAS BEEN BLOCKED" warning with the reason being "apostate site" (every site has a generic warning, but torrent sites were fine!). You cannot get around the filter unless you found a really random, new porn site/porn gallery site, and the Computer Department checks your router's website history every once in awhile to see if you have been visiting pornographic sites or getting around the filter. The only way you'll get around this is if you are on a different network at Bethel, which is impossible in my mind, they simply do not have a "secret" network that allows unrestricted access.

  Remember that regular members can visit this site, tell the CO what they read, who then reports to the local Bethel about it, so Bethel doesn't even need to monitor it themself, they hear everything from members, who then reports to the CO, which they then hear about.

  Also I was never question about trying to get to this site, and if I was all I had to say was I clicked the wrong link in Google when searching "jehovahs witnesses".

  Also the WT's IP range is 208.74.140.0 to 208.74.143.255
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  Are you afraid something horrible will happen to you now you have left the Wt.

  by Still Totally ADD in

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  i remember many years ago we would talk about those who leave the org.

  something bad will happen to them.

  because god was mad at them for turning away from the wt.

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  Richard_I

  Adolf Hitler was responsible for millions of deaths and died at age 56

  Joseph Stalin was responsible for millions of deaths and died age 74.

  Mao Zedong was responsible for millions of deaths and died age 82.

  The slimeballs Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney are still alive at ages 92 and 73, respectively.

  The ruthless Robert Mugabe is still alive at age 90 while millions of Zimbabweans starve and die of disease.

  Shirō Ishii, the director of the terrible Unit 731, was immune from prosecution, despite commiting unspeakable acts to thousands of civilians, and died age 67.

  Genghis Khan and the Mongols were responsible for reducing the world's population by 11%, with Khan dieing around age 65.

  Pol Pot was responsible for millions of deaths and died age 72.

  Hell even Keith Richards, who has survived a lifetime of drug addiction, is still alive at age 70.

  Meanwhile, if you left Jehovah you'll die a horrific death before you're 30 because you disobeyed him!!!!! He singled you out because you left him, but he did nothing to Hitler, Stalin, etc.
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  Watchtower Library CDROM That Goes Back The Furthest?

  by lambsbottom in

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  hi y'all,.

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  can anyone give me the download for the wtcdrom that goes back the furthest (i think i heard it was 1993)?.

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  Richard_I

  The oldest version seems to be the 1993 version, which came out in 1994 (link). My family never got a computer until '98/'99, and I don't think we kept those old CDs. As far as I can tell, there is no ISO available online of the old CDs, so you'll have to get it from a JW who still has the CD.
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  September 18, 2014 BOE KMS 2015

  by wifibandit in

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  full set: https://imgur.com/a/iae2a.

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  Richard_I

  Thanks for this. 110 minutes on appealing, 90 minutes on reinstating, 95 minutes on how to conduct the Watchtower? Why do they need 95 minutes to go over that? The rest seems like generic talks.
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  666, Revelation, and preterism

  by Richard_I in

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  on reddit, there's a post about how 666 is mistranslated as 616 in revelation (thread).

  666 and 616 are both correct.

  if you read into revelations, very little is presented as actual prophecy- it's an analogous tale to describe the roman empire during their persecution of christianity.. 666 and 616 come from the hebrew tradition of converting words into numerical values.

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  On reddit, there's a post about how 666 is mistranslated as 616 in Revelation (thread). However, someone posted this very interesting comment which I thought I would share here:

  666 and 616 are both correct. If you read into revelations, very little is presented as actual prophecy- it's an analogous tale to describe the roman empire during their persecution of Christianity.

  666 and 616 come from the Hebrew tradition of converting words into numerical values. The Roman emporer, Nero, can either be written as נרון קסר (Neron Kaiser), or נרו קסר (Nero Caeser), which numerically represent 666 and 616 respectively.

  This becomes more evident as you read the description of the beast;

  And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

  The 7 kings are the emporer's of rome, Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula and Claudius are the kings who have fallen, Nero is the one who is being described, and Galba was to succeed him (remember, this was a retelling, not a prophecy.

  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies

  Which is likely a reference to the roman emperor worship, and how Nero called himself the sun god Apollo

  and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

  As Nero's campaign against christianity began in 64 AD and ended 3 and a half years later.

  and the final line makes it obvious that the number was made to that end:

  Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

  ie, if you know how our system works, it should be obvious what we're talking about.

  tl;dr, there's a large school of thought that the revelations section of the new testament is not a description of a coming apocalypse, but a teaching of the origins of Christianity, and their struggle with roman persecution.

  You can see the comment here. I have never heard of this, and it is apparantly the preterism view of Revelation. IMO it makes a lot of sense viewing Revelation from this point of view. Just thought I'd share the comment.
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  bethelite kills self because of guilt 10/31/73

  by new boy in

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  i was working on my car in the factory {bld.

  1} on friday oct. 31 1973, when all hell broke loose, the fire alarm in bld.

  4 went off at about 9:30. the night watchman could find nothing.

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  Richard_I

  Someone jumped out a window in E Building at Wallkill some decades ago too, I remember reading it here, I'll see if I can find it again. Turns out, suicide occurs occasionally at the wonderful, cheerful Bethels.

  23-year-old takes life at wallkill, 2012

  75-year-old takes life at Brooklyn Heights, 1990
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  New December KM with changes all over

  by pixel in

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  is not on the public website yet, but here it is, full more changes:.

  to the 2015 school:.

  bible highlights: brothers as- signed this part will have two min- utes to consider one interesting and practical scriptural point from the weekly bible reading.

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  Richard_I

  Few people, other than the holy rollers, were prepared for offering bible studies on the first saturdays of the months (i know my family never prepared), so it makes sense they got rid of it.

  I often wondered if they would do a #2 with brothers and there it (kind of) is. i imagined the old elders i knew that hated being together, up on stage doing a #2 and its such a funny mental image to me and the fact that its a reality now is even more hilarious. but honestly, nobody is going to enjoy those new #3 talks.
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  2014 JW News!

  by Atlantis in

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  these posts came from a jw website.. .2014, new pocket size bible.. .it was released today the small pocket bible in english at the.... .keep seeking first god's kingdom audio.. .2014 regional convention 'keep seeking first god's kingdom!

  ' audio recorded on august 22-24, 2014 at twickenham, london, united kingdom.. .. new governing body committees lists.. .new governing body committees announced.

  info released today at.... .. witnesses in ebola areas..witnesses in liberia many brothers ask us about our situation in.... .. 2014 jw broadcasting tv station.. .private tour of the new jw broadcasting tv station!!

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  There we go, the heaviest of the "bethel heavies", this is what I always wanted. ty very much for this ->

  

  The committees and their helpers are the guys who run the org. these guys and the legal team are the top brass, i'd say the average age of these comittees to be in the 60's to 70's. if there's a new gb member, he'll be one of these guys
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  Watchtower encouraging members to go and preach in Israel

  by wannaexit in

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  an odd letter was read at last nights' meeting.

  it was in regards to a special campaign for next year arranged by the governing body to go and preach in israel.

  the call is going out to anybody that speaks hebrew and english.

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  Richard_I

  this letter was read at my meeting here in canada. doubt anyone would go on their own dime. they want you there for at least two weeks. ya right. you don't need to know hebrew either, the letter said english or hebrew publishers are invited due to much of israel being english
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  How many born ins actually stay?

  by lostinthought in

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  i was wondering if anyone know sany statistics of the amount of born ins that actually stay in the orginization.

  i think i have read it before on here but i can't really remember what it was.

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  most of the born-ins i know stay in, i'd say its like 90%.