two of this board's, and h2o's before it,long time and well known participants have fallen on desperately hard times.
if they could set up pay pal accounts and enough of us could contribute say $20 - $50 per month it would help them though their hardship.. these two people have helped many escape from the wts and i know for sure have given money and other material help to those in need, even when they could not afford it.. if you can help, send an email to: [email protected].
you need not include any particulars of who you are etc, just an indication that you could support this and how much you could send.
Way to kick him when he's down. Couldn't you just let it go?
Apparently not....
Going to bed too, and will cry myself to sleep as I did last night,
G'night Fark.....
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
i don't know if this was discussed here before, but, what is the most ignorant comment you ever heard an elder say.
i once had an elder say to me that my brother, who was at the time fighting in vietnam will be destroyed and killed over in 'nam because he did not accept "jehovah"!!!!
i promptly told him to go "f" himself.
Many years ago, we (nonJW hubby) had a "run" of bad luck, our car had blown "something" that couldn't be fixed, our rent was overdue, the finance company had given us the date that our furniture was to be repossessed, and hubby had lost his job because he couldn't GET there (35 miles away) and he was making comments like we'd be better off without him, etc.
I was sick with worry every time I left the house, at what he might do when the rest of us were at "the meetings". REALLY frightened that he would harm himself.
There was a "get together" for someone who was moving away, and I had taken the kids and gone to it, and cornered an Elder to explain the situation and ask for advice.
His reaction? He asked me what had *I* done to make my husband so despondant?
I was SO furious, but kept my "loyaldub" composure, but I wanted to sock him right in the face for his crappy attitude.
LIFE had dumped on my husband, and dear brother Elder wanted to know what *I* had done.....rotten unfeeling creep.
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
two of this board's, and h2o's before it,long time and well known participants have fallen on desperately hard times.
if they could set up pay pal accounts and enough of us could contribute say $20 - $50 per month it would help them though their hardship.. these two people have helped many escape from the wts and i know for sure have given money and other material help to those in need, even when they could not afford it.. if you can help, send an email to: [email protected].
you need not include any particulars of who you are etc, just an indication that you could support this and how much you could send.
Dear Doug,
It is SO frustrating to know that you need help and I can't do anything but sit here and write warm fuzzies to you. We are having a tough time fiancially as well, so anything I can send will be very small, unfortunately. I really hate it when I can't DO something to help a friend who honestly needs a hand.
I just read your last post and I just can't stop crying. I guess I must have a violent streak deep down somewhere, because I want to get ahold of that piece of inhuman garbage that did that to you,and tear him to pieces.
I well know the feeling of having someone deliberately destroy cherished belongings, my parents did the same thing to me. I had several "collections" since early childhood, (I collected seashells, feathers,paper dolls, old storybooks like Peter Rabbit, Bunnuy Brown series, Nancy Drew mysteries, the Bobbsey Twins books Little Lulu comics and figurines from all over the world.) My grandmother used to send me valuable antique dolls that SHE collected, just to name a few things off the top of my head. These were packed away in my parents large home and nothing was ever mentioned about my removing them by a given date....they wouldn't answer my letters or accept my phone calls in 30 years. (A loooong time to be on punishment)
The things that were considered "junk" were tossed out, and no one will tell me where the rest of my things went. I was crushed when I learned about it, especially the fact that my own parents would be that vindictive. The feeling of personal items being trashed out of meanness is hard to understand, like what PLEASURE does it bring....
My heart goes out to you even more, Doug. I think your quota of nasty people in your path, should definetly be filled now. You have been introduced to some caring souls now, who are aware of your situation, and I'd like to think they'll kinda keep you in mind and "be there" for you in the days ahead.
San Diego MUST have some kind of resources like Social Services, etc that issue food vouchers the same day you apply, or a list of agencies that have emergency services for situations like yours....please look into this if you haven't already. I don't know anyone in your area to call and I don't know California at all. My niece and family just relocated from Santa Rosa to Alaska, I don't even know if that was near you anyway!
When I recently found this board, and I saw your profile, I saw the Pitcairn Island address and thought, "Wow, I wonder when he moved THERE" LOL! I even looked it up on a map to see where it was, ya big brat! Guess I'm still pretty gullible sometimes <grin>
Please keep in touch with us here and let us know how things are (or aren't) going, K?
hugs always,
Sunspot
finally, after almost a month, i get a response from my mother about the un.
for those who didnt see her original letter and my response, just click on the sheet of paper icon in my profile and you can catch up on this.. i will place my comments in italics and names will be replaced in parentheses.. .
dear ranchette,.
Hi Ranchette,
We have a situation in reverse here. I DAed myself by letter to the PO in 1999, and my oldest daughter (model JW-pioneered right out of high school) married an elder out of state almost a year and a half ago...I sent a nice card for their 1st anniversary, but received NOTHING when MY anniversary rolled around last month. (We never got an invitation to her wedding either, BTW, although my nonJW son gave her away.
MY letters and cards go unacknowledged, but she will visit her DFed brother!
Cruel? Hateful? Meanspirited?
Take your pick!
I'm hoping that the recent "exposures" of the WBTS will open her eyes
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
two of this board's, and h2o's before it,long time and well known participants have fallen on desperately hard times.
if they could set up pay pal accounts and enough of us could contribute say $20 - $50 per month it would help them though their hardship.. these two people have helped many escape from the wts and i know for sure have given money and other material help to those in need, even when they could not afford it.. if you can help, send an email to: [email protected].
you need not include any particulars of who you are etc, just an indication that you could support this and how much you could send.
I just don't know where to begin........I've spent the last few hours on ARJW letting off some steam and haven't really looked at the posts here.....I logged on briefly to bookmark/save the links to the UN "proof" and a few other subjects, but haven't read anything new in quite a few hours......
My GOD, my heart is breaking for Doug, he has meant so much to me (even though I lost track of him for months online) I DO love him so for acting as a liason (HE will know what I mean) and giving of himself; a little piece of Farkel that Farkel can hide so well..
I don't even remember if I ever shared with him so very much of the "parental" pain that we had in common (I can't believe I'm telling all this) but when I got baptized in 1972, my parents and my only sister disowned me and haven't spoken to me since then.
When I went on H20 to make a comment on a news article (still a loyal JW then) I was stunned to see so many negative things said about my religion, and within a few months time (July-September '99) I came to the horrible, gutsinking and desperate feeling that what I had accepted and dedicated my LIFE to, was based on lies and deceit, and I was shattered.
I have written letter after letter, just pouring my heart out to my parents and my sister, apologizing for the mistake I made, not done maliciously, but because I thought I was doing it for God and begging for forgiveness, and to be "let back into" the family.
My heartfelt and sincere letters only fueled more flames of conflict, and my Father told others in the family that my "timing" was good, to get back into the "good graces" of the family when both he and my Mom were close to death, and that I would never get a penny....etc. This was NOT what I was "after", EVER, I just wanted to be acknowledged and forgiven and to make peace with them.
I got a call a little while ago that my mother had died somewhere in MA nursing home (I wasn't "allowed" to know where it was since last summer)and I had just logged on to write to one daughter who still speaks to me, and for some reason I clicked on here first, only to find this thread about Doug.
I didn't cry when I heard about my mother's death, I guess I kind of felt numb...but right now I can hardly see the keys to type for the tears that are streaming down my face....which kinda tells me what hit me in the gut and what didn't.......
I hope to hell you are reading all these posts, Doug, and accepting just how VERY much love and heartfelt support you have right here...my heart is breaking for you and my emotional focus is far more centered on you right now, than letting my daughter know that her grandmother just died...can you understand that..please, and where it's coming from?
You ARE a special and unique human being...stay that way!
hugs, Sunspot
following the link given by kent,.
i have several observation to make:.
(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).
"Here is some added info:
< http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/JwPeaceAndSecurity30.htm
PEACE AND SECURITY "
WOW!!!
This is a terrific link! I've never seen this before.
Thanks for posting it!
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
my wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.
i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.
my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.
"I will consider any attempt to convince by speeches, talks or teaching; to coerce by implied or actual threat of judicial action; or to encourage by private counsel or suggestion to any of Jehovah's Witnesses to treat me differently from any other person, to be a serious violation of my civil rights and I may initiate any legal action, civil or criminal that I or my solicitor deem appropriate. "
This includes any attempt to convince by speeches, talks or teaching; to coerce by implied or actual threat of judicial action; or to encourage by private counsel or suggestion to any of Jehovah's Witnesses to shun, ‘mark' or avoid me, cease or otherwise modify their doing business with me, or modify in any way their behaviour towards me. I may consider any such to be an infringement upon my civil and human rights and may initiate appropriate legal action."
Hello Nicolaou,
This sounds very impressive "on paper", but we know that the WBTS views disfellowshipping and subsequent shunning as scriptural, and part of their "worship and obedience" to Jehovah.
I imagine this would be impossible to actually enforce, as great as it would be. (sigh)
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
< http://cantorlaw.lawoffice.com/contact.htm.
i just submitted a lengthy entry into this book.
it does not let you view the guestbook, that i can see.
Hi sKally,
Is this the attorney who's opposite the WTBS in the Stratton, Ohio case?
I've sent things here locally I could send to him too.
Just want to be sure, LOL!
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
my wife and i met with 3 elders for a "judicial hearing".. our crime: simply put, was talking.
i showed a friend the un website where the wts was listed as an ngo which then led to a 2 hour discussion of various doubts that we both have had.
my wife also showed a friend the un thing but also discussed with her a first hand account of a pedophile cover-up that we knew about in our former congregation.
"After 2 meetings with the Elders my wife and I are both to be publicly reproved this Thursday. The good that has come of all this is that my wife who was still wavering between "this is the truth/this isn't the truth" was completely shocked by this quick and harsh decision."
Hello Willie & Wife,
It's SO hard to realize that the ways and doctrines your entire life revolved around are a web of some truths, half truths, and lies. Somehow it seems that your "sinful behavior" has frightened the Three Wise Men!
" Her 16 years of faithful "service" are about to be null and void for merely having a private conversation with a friend about some FACTUAL and PUBLIC information. We were told that it was wrong to be looking at the UN's website, and we had the scripture applied to us about "those that arise and speak twisted things".
It hardly seems fair! Facts AND Public information? Looking at the UN's website is WRONG? How presumptuous!! The ones "arising and speaking twisted things" are NOT the UN in this case! (BTW, don't look at the Weather Channel....they "make predictions" that often don't come true too)The Society says that Jehovah sets "limitations and boundaries" for our protection....but these endless "rules and suggestions" become more like a cage where someone keeps squeezing the sides in so you can't even breathe. Loving provision?Hardly.Control? Absolutely.
" When the Elders gave us their decision (which was presented as good news - "we've decided to extend mercy and to not disfellowship you"), they told us that although this may seem to us to be a very quick decision it was something that they had to "cut out of the congregation like a gangrene or cancer that can spread quickly".
MERCY??? Of course not.Clearly, they want to silence you as quickly as possible, and we all know why. They're going to stand guard over you and watch every move.
" My wife is obviously sad by all of this. At the same time though this has served to really open her eyes to the cold machinery that is the WTS. She keeps saying "what a joke" the whole thing is. Anyway, just wanted to inform you all that this UN business is being taken VERY seriously at the local level."
I think this says it all..."cold machinery"...far from the "loving reproof" to keep the sheep from leaving the fold, huh? I really hurt for you both, I know ALL the feelings that are warring inside of you right now and it's a horrible place to be. Even as I read your post, the anger and the tears welled up inside of me for us ALL who have been put through this agony.
Keep reminding yourselves that they are just MEN, and not "the ELDERS" to you any longer. They are NOT keeping an account of your "souls", either, despite what they'll tell you.
My love to you both,
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
i have been watching the news on cnn and happened to notice the news flashing across the bottom mentioning the state of ohio banning door to door work and jehovah's witnesses!
has anyone seen this?
No one is saying or advocating their right to free speech. Asking one to have some identifier to who or what you are represent ,is not taking their right to 'preach' away.
The public has a right to 'awareness',who is at their door.
Tina, this is exactly what I was going to say! Let's face it, when someone knocks at your door....WHAT TWO BASIC QUESTIONS do you have??? Who ARE you and what DO you want?? Right? It's human nature.
This is a protection to ALL, and does NOT "single out" any particular group or individual.
I remember the "deceptive tactics" that *I* used, like;
"we're doing a Bible education work",
"we're volunteers here to promote more Bible reading",
"we're involved in a worldwide Bible education program"
All of which WERE evasive (because we KNEW that saying we're Jehovah's Witnesses would result in a negative response) We were TOLD (Service Meetings)not to say the JW title......(hanging my very ashamed head right now)
I earnestly hope that the Supreme Court Justice in Ohio will uphold the present law as it stands......or it will set a precedent for JWs everywhere to follow suit!
Shredded families and ruined lives;
The WBTS has MUCH to answer for......
Hugs,
Sunspot
