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Hello

by newdawnfades in

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i am a long time lurker who has finally decided to post.

i am still in along with my wife, kids and extended family.

i am in my 40s and was raised in the org.

I am also trying to fade without destroying family relationships. Sometimes I just want to explode and tell them what I really think, it is not easy. Trying to balance this religion which you don't believe, with your own mental health and family relations can be exhausting. I know I am over it all, and I have only woken up to it a few months ago.

People here can relate, which helps. It is amazing how many stories and situations that I read here ring true. All the best with the fade, see you around the forum.

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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Hi there TD - cut and paste - nice one! Can you explain what each one of those articles are teaching?

TD's cut and paste is pretty simple to understand. They are deliberately misleading people about what they expected for 1914. They are giving the impression that they expected Jesus to become King. Understand?

The problem is their expectations were not met, and they now are dishonest in representing their early beliefs. Your not silly, this is not hard to understand.

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What are the JW's up to now days?

by ForbiddenFruit in

so i left around 4 years ago, my family have pretty much left me alone after the first year of harassment, but in the last 6 months i've been hearing about 'the end' a lot again.

so i'm basically wondering if anything has happened?

if anything specific has gone on in the last 6 months (or few years since i've left) to make my family get all zealous about me going back to the 'truth' again?

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So I'm basically wondering if anything has happened? If anything specific has gone on in the last 6 months (or few years since I've left) to make my family get all zealous about me going back to the 'truth' again?

Have you not heard??? Armageddon is coming SOON!!!!!!!!! REAL SOON!!!!!

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How many former Jehovah's Witnesses bury their head in the sand when it comes to reasoning about the NGO "conspiracy"?

by Change Name in

hi all - sure sure, you can call me a troll or brainwashed cult member.

i am totally interested in how your answers to these questions.. .

do you find yourself ignoring anything that jehovah's witnesses bring out in regards to their former status as an ngo?.

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WTS have lied many times. You have be shown the proof on your other thread. Is your head in the sand??

I don't care much for the UN issue, the WTS are liars and the UN are a waste of resources.

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Just wanted you to know, none of you are intriguing. Rather, you're all quite repulsive.

by Theocratic Sedition in

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not saying that's my personal opinion, but this week's congregation bible study asks the viewpoint question, "would apostate literature or internet sites intrigue you or repulse you?

"- jeremiah book, page 70, para 7. .

gotta love it.. i guess apostate sites are like crime scenes.

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The Jeremiah book is a JOKE. I can't sit through these meetings anymore.

It does not matter what the meeting, what the topic, or who in the Bible they they are talking about..... the meetings are about the s a m e c r a p every time; your choice of recreation, who you choose to associate with, your attitude towards material things, adjusting your schedule to do more witnessing, how you accept counsel from the elders..... Bla bla freaking bla....... week after God forsaken week.

And to make it worse it is the SAME PEOPLE giving the SAME COMMENTS in slightly different terms.... week in, week out, for the rest of your life inside the walls of the Kingdom Hall.

Then after the meeting we can all pat each other on the back for doing 30 hours in the ministry this month. Somebody please shoot me in the face.

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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Please be honest Change Name, the context is irrelevant in regards to those quotes.

The WTS try and say that they predicted decades in advance, that Jesus would receive kingship 1914. You saw the quotes.

The WTS never believed Jesus recieved kingship until the 1930s. In fact they taught he recieved kingship in 1879.

They lie about their history. It is print. Can't be denied.

Please do your research and get the context, the depth of their deception and intent to mislead will become obvious after your research.

They have lied over and over.

Not all 'apostates' are liars, some have a real honest heart and are searching for truth. Believe it or not, when I researched my religion, I could handle the fact that the WTS made an abundance of false predictions ( I know you don't like calling them prophecies). What I could not do is reconcile with the fact the WTS has time and time again tried to misrepresent what they use teach. Liars.

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Fictious "Universal Sovereignty" Issue Proposed By Watchtower Corporation Is Idiotic

by frankiespeakin in

ok so a big part of the wt corporation ideological structure is the invention of the issue before all creation being "universal sovereignty".. the story goes like this very basically:.

for untold years jehovah's soverneignty was never challenged, then after so many millions of years jehovahs started his earthly creation with adam&eve being the culmination of that work.

soon afterwards satan seduces eve to disobey jehovah and thus we have the very first act of disobedience satan slanders god by telling eve god is selfish as to the reason he forbids eating this other wise nice looking fruit adam joins his wife in the rebellion.. god in his infinite wisdom allows this rebellion because this was a challenge to his sovereingty and so he is allowing a reasonable amount of time to let mankind and angels see for themselves that his rulership is better that satan's.. so basically it is like a bet he has with satan or who's rulership is best, and he's allowing time to prove his is far superior.. well if you look at it logically it don't add up.. 1. if god is going to allow satan to prove his point about who's rulership is better why is he alway interfereing and interveining that's unfair.. 2. god goes on killing sprees of people man women and chilldren (not very smart for some trying to prove his rulership is better for people to follow.. 3. god show himself to be jealous (not a good trait for a ruler to endear himself to people).. 4. god's scare people to except his ruler ship.. and i have even more reason to show the whole idea is a made up sham..

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One thing that I have thought, ever since I was very young, about this universal sovereignty is.... after the 1000yrs of peace, Satan is let loose...... He succeeds in turning some away from Jehovah, so..... the issue of universal sovereignty is still not finished..... Satan could say people still choose his way..... the case will never close.

And if Jehovah's Witnesses are the one true religion, the issue of universal sovereignty is clearly being won by Satan..... I mean, the jury is still out, but it is not looking god for Jehovah..... people seem to be in favour of false religion.

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THIS NEEDS ITS OWN THREAD:: TODAY's WT Paragraph 16

by Lied2NoMore in

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here is what got my spidey senses tingling: paragraph 16, reference to daniel p mannix book, was wondering if his statement was mis-quoted so i did my research.......but was even more shocked when i saw this: .

from amazon dot com reviews................ probably the most provocative work of historical fiction published this century,"those who are about to die" is pure mannix at his best.

a uncensured exploration of what likely took place in the circuses of ancient rome.

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@Lied2NoMore- Yes many CO's feel that the stage in the Kingdom Halls is where they get to announce all Jehovah's judgements that have been divinely revealed to them. Well done on the police report, higher authorities... Romans 13 I think lol.

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THIS NEEDS ITS OWN THREAD:: TODAY's WT Paragraph 16

by Lied2NoMore in

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here is what got my spidey senses tingling: paragraph 16, reference to daniel p mannix book, was wondering if his statement was mis-quoted so i did my research.......but was even more shocked when i saw this: .

from amazon dot com reviews................ probably the most provocative work of historical fiction published this century,"those who are about to die" is pure mannix at his best.

a uncensured exploration of what likely took place in the circuses of ancient rome.

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but CO was non-stop eye fucking me while he was on stage

That sounds painful and messy. This religion keeps getting crazier.

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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I would be interested to see Change Name take this test.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/195895/1/Thought-Control-A-simple-test-for-JWs

It is amazing how some avoid the obvious answer to support want they have already made their mind up about.

I tried it with my mother, she could see the contradiction but tried to downplay it. Sadly, her husband insisted there was no contradiction, he just couldn't get it. Incredible.