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  If you have a family, do you make it a point to provide companionship for those unmarried?

  by Theocratic Sedition in

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  quote from this week's congregation bible study.

  ch.8, para 15, 16.. .

  one sister opened her heart this way: "i've since left the world and do not desire to go back.

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  you can be a source of refreshment to single ones by sometimes including them in your family activities, such as your evening of Family Worship

  Such association has proved to be mutually refreshing.

  What the hell is with the WT and refreshment? Seriously, who talks like this....refreshing refreshment. Refreshment from recreation, refreshment from association, refreshment from volunteering your time on Kingdom Hall maintenance. They want to keep everyone refreshed and donating time and money to keep the WT$ chugging along.

  I could not think of anything worse than sitting in on somebody's family worship evening. That would be refreshing like shards of glass injected in my anus.
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  Share the Craziest far out ideas/arguments you have heard about life in the "NEW SYSTEM"

  by BU2B in

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  really the whole thing is ludicrious but it is hilarious and sad at the same time to see grown people arguing about weather there will be cars, planes, eat meat, what about fish, etc in a place as imaginary as oz, yet to them it is reality.. the teaching of a paradise earth was so illogical it really was the first thing that started me on the path to waking up.

  just the thought that someone could greet their beloved spouse who had died only to come to the realization that they could never be together again struck me as so cruel, i didnt want to live there even if it was all true.. i have heard jws say they think we might be able to fly, read minds since we will be able to use 100% and some seem to think life would be an endless vacation, with modern conveniences with no thought to all the processes and work that goes into something simple like a pencil.

  i love the article jwfacts has on the flaws of any theory or teaching of paradise earth.. what are some things you have heard discussed/argued in car groups, gatherings etc when you were in?.

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  I shall be staying at a chalet in my new mountain retreat stroking my tiger and rolling about with my polar bear not to mention stroking my very fit looking wife's hair which flowed all the way down her back, as depicted in the Wacktower, while she caressed my newly perfected A class chest and admiring my muscle tone

  Too funny. I am loving this thread.

  It is kinda sad though. Not because up until recently I believed in this insanity, but because so many of my family and friends still do. They don't just believe it, they live it and breathe it. The new system consumes their thoughts as does the wickedness of this current system which the lament so much.

  I heard a CO talk about how the 144000 may materialize so they could govern in the flesh, then turn back into spirits so they could go back to heaven. Like some type of access all areas pass. This got everyone in the hall excited.

  He had a good point though, how else will the Government work? This invisible heavenly government does present some problems, and has proved to be ineffective, especially when it comes to communicating a clear understanding of the scriptures.
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  Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?

  by Monsieur in

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  has anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.

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  What the hell is that ring of purple dots? That green dot must be a demon.
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  WTF just happened??? An elder I haven't seen in years stopped by to hand me a XXXXXXXX !!!

  by Calebs Airplane in

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  so yesterday afternoon, an elder who lives only 3 blocks away drives up to my house as i was about to enter my car.

  as he gets out of his car, i noticed he had a stack of photocopied paper in his hand and he seemed quite nervous.

  i was genuinely happy to see him nonetheless since he is pretty easygoing and very likeable.

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  I take it you are not df'd, and you have just faded? Don't elders have a responsibility to check up on inactive ones every so often? Elder 1 may have been feeling guilty for ignoring you. He may like you but has been ignoring you for no other reason except your absence from the Hall. Elder 2 seems to hold grudge with the best of them.
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  Why did you stop believing in God?

  by The Quiet One in

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  I am not sure that I or anyone else said that higher education automatically equals atheism.

  When it comes to debating Gods existence on this forum, more often than not it is the atheists who use logical arguments and scientific facts. That's all I was saying.

  Trying to equate studying WT articles with those who want scientifc evidence for God might be insulting to a few people here. Not me though, I don't care much for God or even science really. One thing about science though, it is true whether or not you choose to believe it. This is not so with the bible, it requires giant leaps of faith and logic.

  The bible is full of errors and contradictions. The belief that the bible is Gods word, his method for communicating with mankind and his primary way of revealing himself to us (besides creation if your that way inclined) , is hard to defend in this age of information. If it is from God, it is a pretty clumsy effort.
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  Why did you stop believing in God?

  by The Quiet One in

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  I am not into debating the existence of God, but I hope you get some replies Villagegirl. I did notice you use many sweeping generalizations about non believers and also demanded they educate themselves. More often than not it is the athiests who have science, facts and education on there side.

  I hope you get a reply from cofty and consider his posts carefully with an open mind.

  Just on the bible teaching the earth was round. The verse in Isaiah could refer to a round flat earth. When you consider that he mentions spreading a tent over the earth it would seem he meant flat. Also Satan takes Jesus to a unusually high mountain where he can view all the Kingdoms of earth, this would include the Shang Dynasty in China plus civilizations in America and so on. Seems to refer to a flat earth. In Daniel 4 the tree grows to such a height that it is visible in all the earth. Seems to refer to a flat earth. Again in Job, the bible says the earth takes shape like a clay seal, which again would seem to indicate the belief in a flat earth.

  The bible doesn't really say for sure either way what the shape of the earth is, but picking out one verse in isolation and trying to make the bible sound like an ancient inspired science text book does nothing to prove the existence of God.
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  Avoiding the subject

  by dissonance_resolved in

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  so as i progress in my fade, i've started to notice a curious phenomenon.

  just when i think this will be the missed meeting/ field service/ assembly that will cause all heck to break to loose- no one says anything.

  this includes immediate family and extended family in the same congregation.

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  My family have noticed my drop in attendance and are concerned. I am also hounded by my group overseer for sheparding visits. Keep in mind, that I have not met with the group for field circus in many months, so while I call him my group overseer, that term is getting less and less relevant as time passes. He can't keep asking for a sheparding visit forever, but if he does I will tell him to stop asking.

  I don't think we are overly paranoid. I know I have had some group overseers in the past that would not attempt making any sheparding visits, so it depends on individuals and circumstances I think. They had me in line as a possible MS so they could load me up with meeting parts. Because I suddenly became inactive they have been trying to find out what has caused the sudden change in attitude.

  I wish everyone in my circle would just avoid the subject, it would make fading much easier.
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  Hello

  by Seraphim23 in

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  not sure if this is the place to say hello and im new but hello and im new here.

  i was a jw years ago but not for many years now.

  i joined here because i was kicked off the last jw related board i was on.

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  Well you will be safe here. We have everyone from atheists to the Lord Jesus Christ himself on this site.
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  How to fade?

  by naazira in

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  i am suppose to become an unbaptized publisher in a few days.

  however ive changed my mind.

  i finished my bible study and progressing in the org.

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  there is a newly baptized sister in the cong who is already doubting sucks for her. she has been on apostate websites

  Do you know what sites or information she has been looking at? Everyone who chooses to leave the Watchtower religion needs to investigate and prove that it is not the truth to themselves. You should encourage her to investigate the religion and critically examine the beliefs. Get her to look at JWfacts and this site.

  If you can, it would be nice to help free her of the mental chains that the WT has put her in, before she wastes her life in what is basically a scam. You would be doing her an incredible service.
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  How to fade?

  by naazira in

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  i am suppose to become an unbaptized publisher in a few days.

  however ive changed my mind.

  i finished my bible study and progressing in the org.

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  Hello and welcome. You are on the right track. Don't become an unbaptized publisher. And do not, for the love of all things sacred, get baptized into this religion.

  The elders and the central authority of this religion have no power or control over you.

  You could, just to mess with them a bit, ask questions like, "Will Jehovah destroy me if I don't dedicate myself to the organization?". "Is there any reasonable objections people have with this religion, or is there no such thing?"

  Get on with your life and put the WT well out of your mind.