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  A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the main series playlist:.

  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

  this is the accompanying video appendix:.

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  The two articles in the October and November 2011 WT were fantastic, they helped free 2+2=5 of his long held religious superstitions.

  Scholar, why do you want to discredit your holy book by trying to go against the overwhelming evidence? Do you prefer that the bible is in clear conflict with the thousands of pieces of evidence that form the foundation of a widely accepted date in history?

  The fact is the bible is in harmony with the historic evidence. It has been explained here and elsewhere many times.

  It is obvious to everyone reading this, that the only reason you cling to 607, is the implications it has to your entire belief system (1914). It's a hard pill to swallow. It just requires some honesty on your part.

  Some religious quacks in the 1800's were off track with prophetic speculation, and devised ways to attract attention to their published works by speculating on the scriptures with crazy date setting and numerology, all garbage. A few people in New York are still doing it. Just deal with it and move on.
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  I've been duped!

  by truthhurts13 in

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  2. friends

  so im sittin here lookin through these issues of watch/awake that a jaydub left me, and i just realized, she gave me old mags!!!!!

  these are like 2 years old!

  she used me as a dumping ground for her old trash, and then counted it on her timecard as placements i just know it.. i remember leaving stacks (30-40) mags at a time on laundry mat tables, and leaving 5 or 6 in a door was not a problem.

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  It doesn't matter how old the magazines are, the information contained in them never goes out of date.

  Conditions apply.
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  In Case You Had Any Doubts About Dinosaurs

  by metatron in

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  2. friends

  http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/15/tyrannosaurus-rex-really-was-a-ferocious-hunter-new-finding-confirms/.

  nature red in tooth and claw.

  if jehovah is the creator of all, he made some very vicious, nasty stuff.

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  Goes to show how brave Noah was by letting these beasts on the ark with himself and his family.
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  A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the main series playlist:.

  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

  this is the accompanying video appendix:.

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  It seems Jeffro really knows his shit.

  Scholar makes outrageous assertions, refuses to defend them properly or answer questions. He also refers to himself in third person, this is even more disturbing than his desperate attempts to rewrite history.

  Dont even get me started on the "celebrated Watchtower scholars"....

  That is the impression I get from this thread anyway.

  Thanks for the videos Londo I will check them out.
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  I found something in Watchtower literature I can agree with.

  by Indian Larry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i ran across this excerpt from studies in the scriptures vol iv.

  in it russell rails on as to why you should not tie youreself to any organization.

  in a way he unknowingly predicts how the watchtower would turn against real "truth seekers" in their own organization, (quite possible the only prediction he ever got correct) and then goes on to show how the deluded witness just can't see how they can have a relationship with christ without a earthly organization.. .

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  Nice find. That is a great big pile of irony.
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  Introduction and a note on several posts here

  by LizO in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hey people,.

  as for myself, after extensive study i have concluded that it's not possible for me to trust the bible and so i am not active anymore.

  however, let me please add something to the discussions here:.

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  The GB are delusional fools.
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  'Lamp' book by Ray Franz???

  by AgentSmith in

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  2. friends

  my father, (still an elder) has suprised me last week with a simple text message.

  "we (my mother & father) will be in your city this weekend, please come and have supper with us".

  i was delaying my reply, thinking of what to say, when he phoned.

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  When I first spoke to elders about my doubts (mistake) with 607/1914, I had a friend who knew the elders were concerned about me, ask me if everything was ok.

  I didn't get into details about my doubts but just told this friend that there is some things we are taught from the GB that I find hard to understand. My friend ended up telling me about a conversation that he had recently had with an old anointed brother in our Cong.

  Anyway, he starts going on about how there was this GB member Ray Franz who was very proud and pig headed and had all these ideas that he wanted to promote. One of his ideas was 1975. Because Ray was so proud, he left the GB when they rejected his ideas. 1975 came and went, and Ray looked like a proud fool because he left the organization over his own silly ideas that turned out to be false. This is what my friend was told by the old anointed elder in my congregation...... There was a bit more to it, and it was all the typical "he was a evil apostate" mud slinging, but this pretty much sums it up.

  I couldn't believe it. This was complete crap. I just sat there listening and pretended that it was all news to me, but I knew that this was all false and really just slandering Ray Franz. I wondered how many JWs here this and beleive it. This elder would have spread this lie to hundreds of JWs no doubt.

  So it is not the first time I have heard this.
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  Can this logic be refuted?

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was an elder until march 2012 until i resigned.

  i then stopped going to meetings in october 2012 and have enjoyed 9 months of freedom that i have found to be jouful!

  i loved learning ttatt and sites like this and jwfacts.com have been excellent.. i told the elders that i needed a break and that they should not contact me unless it was a social visit and true to their word they have done that.

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  Do you believe Jehovah is using the F&DS to direct this organization?

  This is all that matters to the elders when faced with questions like yours. Logic and sound reasoning matter little. Answer no to their question and expect a JC to be arranged.
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  First post venting

  by Freethinking76 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello ,i am a jw,been in the "truth " for about 6 years.i have to be very careful because i know the witnesses monitors sites and report to the elders ,i know cause that is what my blood sister does,she spends hours trying to find apostates in the closet.i know stuped.. so this is my situation.i have known about jw almost all my life and heard that only them have the truth,lots of my family are in it.i was the one taking too long to baptize ,i knew it was expected from me.and i always had a need to make ppl like me .so i took the dip.i started to notice that there are lots of jws that belong to little groups.i wanted friendship so bad and at the time had a need o tell ppl about my horrible childhood traumas i guess i was not over it yet,and needed some to lisent since i had drove my spouse nuts already .what happend this ppl pretend to want to be close to me so they can know all my business and then tell everyone at the hall.then you realize uhhh,they never confided their personal stuff to me.is like a game " you can tell me your stuff,but do not expect me to keep it to myself and do not think i will tell you my dirty laundry.a lot of mind games.. so i was alone ,invisible ,i still can't believe i put up with so much !

  i can't wright not even half of what i when through.i feel paranoic now.so i came across a youtube video by jwstruggle and blow my mind ,now i can't stop researching,my spouse is not a jw,and is very shock too.so i decided that i want to fade,i guess it won't be so hard since the sis and brothers did not had a close relationship with me.i have kids and i suffer from pts ,anxiety attacks,panick attacks and severe depression.i moved to the next town of my hall,so i have change hall too.i have not been to my new hall,and wanted to know,will the elders in my old hall contact the elders in my new hall just to see if i am attending?..

  my spouse told me " i will tell them i am not letting you go" "and "i found out that your liars!

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  Hello and Welcome.

  Sorry to hear about your struggle in "the truth". In my opinion, begin your fade right away by stopping all WT related crap. No meetings or service.

  It's a hell of a ride and I can relate to that feeling you described about wishing you never knew the truth about the truth. You will never be happy as a JW so you should just move on as soon as possible, and continue with life and the pursuit of happiness.

  The creator of JWstruggle is on this site often ( Raypublisher) . He has helped many I am sure in waking up and getting out of this oppressive religious sect.

  One thing, if you can break your posts into paragraphs it is much easier on the eyes and much easier to read.

  Anyway, nice to have you here.
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  A Lion is a Lion. A Bear, a Bear........

  by Night Owl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a lion is a lion, a bear is a bear.

  a fox is a fox, a deer is a deer.

  that is what they are, and they behave as what they are.

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  Is this the dumbest post in the hisotory of JWN? It has to be a contender.

  It has my vote.