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  Viv Moritz? Australian experience?

  by FadeToBlack in

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  can anybody here from australia fill me in on this guy?

  i did the search thing and the only thing i could find seemed to imply that he had been shipped off here to poland to avoid problems there.

  i talked to him at a ca in warsaw and he seemed kind of 'off'... it also seemed to me that he had lots of 'handlers'.

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  I got no idea what has happened to any of them. Can someone help out?

  George Hammett passed away recently. They say don't speak ill of the dead..... but he was the worst speaker every year at the DC without fail.
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  A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Change Name in

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  2. bible

  i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

  here is the latest question:.

  jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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  Change Name, can you please read my post again and then try and defend the accusations about the WTS lying. The way you try and defend the WTS on this might reveal to some here the level of your delusion. The Watchtower Society clearly lies about it's past teachings and expectations. Guilty as charged. Case closed.
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  My interview with "Truth be Told" filmmaker Gregorio Smith

  by RayPublisher in

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  2. beliefs

  i had the pleasure of conducting a telephone interview with "truth be told" filmmaker gregorio smith yesterday.

  he is a fascinating, intelligent person and has an intimate knowledge of the destructiveness the watchtower society has wreaked upon people's lives due to shunning, the blood ban, etc.. some two years in the making, this full-length documentary film entitled "truth be told" seeks to expose the watchtower for what it is.

  a debut screening for the public will take place in brooklyn new york on march 27, 2013. other major cities will follow.

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  Sweet, I will check it out..... please let there be a DVD.
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  THIS NEEDS ITS OWN THREAD:: TODAY's WT Paragraph 16

  by Lied2NoMore in

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  2. friends

  here is what got my spidey senses tingling: paragraph 16, reference to daniel p mannix book, was wondering if his statement was mis-quoted so i did my research.......but was even more shocked when i saw this: .

  from amazon dot com reviews................ probably the most provocative work of historical fiction published this century,"those who are about to die" is pure mannix at his best.

  a uncensured exploration of what likely took place in the circuses of ancient rome.

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  Mega earth shattering face palm. For the love of God, could these men get any dumber. The 'celebrated Watchtower scholars' are at it again.

  A few weeks or months back, the WT quoted from an apostate book, and they referenced the author and title of the book. There should be a link to that thread on this one, because if these gems keep coming, it would be nice to have all the garbage compiled on one thread.
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  A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Change Name in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

  here is the latest question:.

  jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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  Here are some WTS publication quotes post 1914.

  As for the time of Christ’s second presence, Daniel’s prophecy is again the one that gives the chronology for it. (Dan. 4:16) It was figured out as pointing to A.D. 1914, and TheWatchtower called notice to the significance of 1914 in the year 1879.

  WT 1952 November 1 page 658

  a prophecy providentially caused sincere 19th-century Bible students to be in expectation. By linking the "seven times" of Daniel 4:25 with "the times of the Gentiles," they anticipated that Christ would receive Kingdom power in 1914.

  WT 1998 September 15 page 15

  For over thirty years before that date and for half a century since, Jehovah’s witnesses have pointed to the year 1914 as the time for the end of "the appointed times of the nations" and the time in which Christ would begin his Kingdom rule.

  WT 1966 February 15 page 103.

  4 Why, then, do the nations not realize and accept the approach of this climax of judgment? It is because they have not heeded the world-wide advertising of Christ’s return and his second presence. Since long before World War I Jehovah’s witnesses pointed to 1914 as the time for this great event to occur

  WT 1954 June 15 page 370

  The above statements are misleading. The early bible students taught and believed that Christ's presence began in 1874. They definently did not anticipate, point to or preach that Jesus would return in 1914, as they were absolutely certain that Jesus had returned in 1874, and begun ruling in 1878. They taught and believed that the end times, or times of trouble begun in 1799. The expectations for 1914 were for the end of the times of trouble, and when WWI broke out they expected 1918 to spell the end. The point is 1914 was never what they expected.

  Here are some older Watchower publication quotes that prove it.

  Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878, A.D.
  (Studies in Scriptures Vol. IV 1897 p. 621)

  Pastor Russell...believed and taught that we are living in the time of the second presence of our Lord, and that his presence dates from 1874...
  (WT December 1, 1916 p. 5998)

  The Scriptures show that the second presence (of the Lord) was due in 1874... This proof shows that the Lord has been present since 1874...
  (WT March 1, 1923 p. 67)

  Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt that in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus Christ is present and has been since 1874.
  (WT January 1, 1924 p. 5)

  HERE IS THE SUMMARY

  THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY make many post-1914 statements claiming that prior to 1914, JW's pointed to 1914 as the time of the second coming.

  All the pre-1914 statements claim the second coming occured in 1874

  . It was not untill the the 1930's that the first record of claiming that Jesus returned in 1914 can be found. SO.......

  JWs cannot say that they pointed to 1914 as the date for

  Christ's invisible return

  The birth of God's heavenly Kingdom

  Beggining of the time for the end

  JWs can't say that they preached the good news of that established kingdom at or before 1914. None of these would be truthful. If any of these were either stated or implied deliberately, it could be viewed as attempts by the Governing Body to create an idealized history that is more attractive to pontential bible studies today. (telling lies)

  The issue is not the abundance of false prohetic statements made by the early WT writers, or the fact that the International Bible Students have been wrong on many issues and made mistakes. JWs misrepresent their expectations for 1914. We could put it down to an accident, maybe poor research, but that is not likely the case. Surely the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are aware of their own history, they sure like making everyone aware of other religions histories.

  At the very least JWs all have to make peace with the fact that they are reading/believing/teaching something that is not true in regards to their expectations of 1914, and what that would bring. I couldn't reconcile with that fact, and thats why I don't identify myself with an organization that teaches LIES.

  Thanks for reading Change Name.

  It is people like you who defend the WTS on the internet that really help people like me wake up to the TTATT. Change Name, you do a wonderful service.

  Sorry if this post is formatted wierd I am using micro word and copy and pasted.
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  A Lesson Fom OUTLAW..

  by OUTLAW in

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  2. experiences

  so i`m sitting at my desk... finding new ways to laugh at the wbt$ on jwn and... i hear a knock on the door... *knock..knock..knock*...... who could that possibly be?...

  i`m in the middle of friggin nowhere!..

  it`s 2 young jw girls 12 or 13... with an invitation to the memorial... .

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  But wouldn't just shouting out Anthony Morris! Sorry, I mean Jehovah!, protect them from harm. They could defend themselves by rolling up the Watchtowers and beating off any would be attackers, those 'nested copies' can pack a punch.

  Seriously though, I don't think I would let my daughter witness alone like this in any area, it is just stupid.
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  It is Saturday morning. How many are thrilled that they are Not going d2d today?

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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  me - me - me!!!.

  just lois.

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  The moment I learned that 1914 was a lie I stopped witnessing. Missing it does not make feel guilty in the slightest, because I know it is wrong. Like that campaign a few years back handing out the tract "False Religions End Is Near". That is just crazy stuff I can do without. The only thing about suddenly stopping is it attracts the attention of the elders who had high hopes for me, and I am trying to fade and keep a relationship with some family.

  Saturdays have a good feel now but they never use to with the dreaded d2d. The only thing better than not going witnessing on Saturday is not going to the meeting on Sunday either. Ahhh.... the truth sets free.
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  an elder will be at my house in one hour HELP!

  by Julia Orwell in

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  2. friends

  we've missed some meetings due to work and thinking it's bs and also one night my husband got drunk n fessed up n had a shepherding call n now the e is coming to see 'how we're doing'.

  help me please i dunno what to do..

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  Say as least as you can while being polite. Make him feel awkward as you sit there silently.
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  What is the most powerful album that you have ever listened to?

  by zed is dead in

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  Pearl Jam - Ten "Evenflow" "Jeremy" "Black" "Alive" - Read the lyrics and hear the desperation of a 15 year OLD JW hearing these songs. Awesome power and message.

  Hell yes I can relate to that but you forgot Release. My father died when I was kid and Eddie lost his father when he was young, and when he sings that line, "oh dear Dad.... can you see me now?... I am myself.... like you somehow", it gives me chills and makes me reflect on things. It is such a powerful song, awesome live. I am massive PJ fan.
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  Depressing Census Statistics on Religion

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... depressing if you are the governing body that is.. the australian census figures from 2011 are available.

  this is taken every 5 years, and i have been doing a comparison over the last 15 year period.

  for 2001 and 2006 the number of jw's fell in australia, but this time it has risen, which jws may find encouraging.

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  Australians are an apathetic bunch, so don't confuse atheism with don't-know-don't-care-ism.

  Exactly right. This is what makes witnessing in this country such a massive waste of time, nobody cares.

  Muslims are not a large number yet, but sadly growing faster than any other group

  I read somewhere a while back that Islam growth is almost keeping up with world population with around 50 million Muslims every year. And I believe everything I read on the net.

  JWs should follow the LDS example (like they seem to be anyway) and start using TV and billboards to preach, clearly Gods blessing is with these methods rather than the archaic door to door work.

  Thanks for this info Paul, I will be sure to discourage and sow doubts with my active JW family with some more facts.