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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

I have read through this entire thread and I have no idea what exactly you believe, who you perceive to be God or why or what exactly you believe this God is. It's all become vague and incoherent to myself. Talking about the truth in scripture whilst discarding the bible and something about belief coming from the soul..... I can't follow it. I will try and sharpen up though because it sounds like a fascinating conversation.

I was believer when I first lurked here. I was eager to contribute to the debate but I noticed something as I read through the countless pages of different threads. If I wanted to have a meaningful contribution to the conversation, I needed to increase my knowledge and understanding. So that I did.

As my understanding increased, I became very aware of my ignorance. I didn't know shit. But that's fine, I live by this now, and it serves me well. I don't know shit.

It's easy for those who cherish and gain great comfort from their religious beliefs to get scared away from this place. Those believers usually don't offer any logical or coherent explanations, do not present any evidence but instead refer to some internal 'knowing' or some other untestable form of evidence that exists with them or inside them or something, yada yada ....... basically they don't know shit, get offended and leave.

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Islam is a religion of peace (2)

by Coded Logic in

in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

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The only difference is Christianity is about a century ahead of Islam in ignoring and explaining away similar texts.

Unless Islamic fundies are still executing infidels in 200 years time...

Australia is one of the west's most homophobic countries.

You could also add a moderate dose of racism to describe many Australian people to be fair.

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Has any of the GB members ever had a job?

by Crazyguy in

just wonder since that video about a child giving up his dreams of being a great musician do to competition .

i had to give up all my dreams and now work in a very competitive industry just to get by.

how many people not work in a competitive job?

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I would imagine that being leaders of a cult is a full time job.

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If Jehovah hates magic, why is it ok to go to Magic theme parks such as Disneyland the Magic Kingdom and not be disfellowshipped for it?

by Greybeard in

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if jehovah hates magic, why is it ok to go to magic theme parks such as disney land the magic kingdom?

i grew up a jw and we all went to disney land and magic mountain.

if jehovah hates magic then why are these places not forbidden?

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Theme park before bethel = Satan worship.

Bethel and theme park = selfish pleasure seeking.

Bethel only = Jehovah's friend.

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Article: Witnesses Portfolio ‘Better Maintained Than The White House.’

by AndersonsInfo in

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https://www.bisnow.com/new-york/news/commercial-real-estate/what-makes-the-jehovahs-witnesses-portfolio-special-and-what-the-latest-property-to-hit-the-market-could-become-60632 .

“i’ve never seen any properties kept in better shape,” tim says.

“anyone who buys them will be happy that they did and they won’t need to spend a dime on upgrades to infrastructure.” tim, who tells us he attended a breakfast at the white house about a decade ago, goes as far as to say the buildings are better maintained than the presidential residence..

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Those volunteers sure have been slaving hard for Jehovah, haven't they?!

First they slave and build for free, then they slave to maintain and keep buildings in their ultimate condition. It can all be afforded of course from the vast sums of money that the other slaves donate.

Why do these people willingly subject themselves to this form of slavery?

Blessings from Jehovah!

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Missing: my history of Topics and posts going back 10 years?

by TerryWalstrom in

i've noticed a comprehensive revision to this board in reference to the history of topics and posts.there has been a total reboot.are my 1700 topics gone forever or is there a repository someplace?thanks.

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I just did a quick search and read all 1751 topics for Terry and another 68 from the TerryWalstrom user account.

That makes 1809 topics so you have actually gone over your 1700. Don't worry, all of them are good I just had a scan over.

1809 topics and none of it is 'old light', amazing.

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What does the Armageddon Genocide Actually Accomplish?

by xjwsrock in

why murder 8 billion non-believers to just turn around and resurrect 20 billion other non-believers?

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According to official JW theology/doctrine type fantasy bullshit, it goes like this.

Universal Sovereignty.

You see, mass genocide will turn out the best way of doing things and it will ultimately reveal the infinite wisdom of God. His love and justice will shine through, and his right to rule and his claim as 'universal sovereign' will be unquestionable.

And in case it is questioned the universal sovereign/tyrant will quickly execute any who don't follow the strict regime of gruelling daily worship rituals. It's called 'Paradise', perfect seasons all year round. Strictly no clothes and technology, because the Universal Soveriegn has a history of getting volatile and letting his rage take over when humans get overly ambitious. It's that genocide thing, it crops up from time to time with the Jehovah.

But at least we will have settled the sovereignty issue, because that's the real issue after all, Universal Sovereignty. Just ask a JW about this universal issue of extreme importance, they will teach you.

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Please sum up the last decade in JW history

by oldskool in

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i used to be a member of this site, but jumped off a good number of years ago (08?).

i don't have access to my old email, so i'm using a new account.. anyway, i was baptized jw in late 90's.

da'd mid 2000s.. when i left there were three meets a week plus field service.

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I know of a few elderly JWs who struggle even using thier own mobile phones, let alone navigating the Internet or using a Jah forsaken computer.

I would say there are many loyal JWs who are not at all impressed with the new digital theocracy as produced by the JW broadcast crew. Most of these ones would be in the generation who are now around 70 - 270 years of age.

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Damaging Children With the Christian Gospel

by cofty in

the christian gospel begins with the dehumanising assertion that all humans are fallen sinners who deserve nothing but god's judgement and wrath.. not only does this taint all relationships between christians and unbelievers, it destroys the beautiful innocence of childhood.

in a recent edition of the popular christian radio program "family life today", titled “introducing your child to god,” co-host bob lepine discussed teaching “practical theology” to his young daughter, explaining:.

when my daughter, amy, was still less than two years old, i started teaching practical theology to her.

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I'm guilty of this, always falling into the trap of enjoying normal healthy relationships. I have the most awesome 6 month old baby boy at home and his cuteness knows no bounds. So damn cute and adorable.

That depraved little sinner is going to miss out on learning about the Christian Gospel. Stay cute and adorable I say.

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Advice on how to choose a book

by slimboyfat in

i love books; i always have.

they are my life and my livelihood.

and many jehovah's witnesses, when they leave the religion, they think to themselves, "i'd like to read a book".

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I like books with colourful illustrations. Nice sunshine, plenty of wildlife, kids laughing and playing while the adults are enjoying fruit platters in bright African garb. With just a little cult indoctrination added, along with a host of irrational and superstitious stories to induce fear and guilt, these kinds of books can make great bed time stories for children.