Posts by Pterist

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Jan Awake to push the Web Site

by konceptual99 in

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just saw this posted on jwtalk.

it's the cover of the jan awake in german.. the website we should remember!.

Pterist

The WBTS will cease to be a "printing house" members will have studies on digital media or their own print outs from website. (I could NOT get a hard copy of the July 15th Watchtower for love nor money, and was directed by local JWs to download from their website).

Simple brochures with Bible topics will be handed out in the field ministery directing victims to their website. Brochures like the "evil slave" have @ dawn publications. The printing needed will be outsourced.

Im wondering how they will make money at Warwick, besides the requested donations from the R&F they might diversify as a Bible teaching college like what the WCG did in Pasadena CA.. A good way to keep the children indoctrinated at a monitory cost.

IMHO ;)

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Death in Paradise !

by Pterist in

romans 5:12. therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--.

young earth creationists and jws (as opposed to old earth creationists) believe that adam and eve were the cause of all death and the subsequent cause of mortality in the universe, however the above scripture shows that adam and eve were the cause of mankind's subsequent death because of their sin, and lost out on the oppurinity of seeing god's glory to bring them to immortality by eating from the tree of life.

hebrews 2:5-11. .

Pterist

@Apognophos

Thanks for your interesting comment.....

My comment in this thread is intended to show how a return to "paradise earth" conditions as believed and taught by the WBTS as being "good" and is now the hope of over 7 million JWs and some other denominations.

The facts show that creation was and is a violent enviornment, the "garden" be it a storey or fact was at best a "good for purpose" creation to an ultimate perfect goal beyond Eden.

This thread is not intended to prove a spiritual perfect goal or to show the causes of the violent mortal creation, these issue have been debated for years by people way above my limited knowledge. However, I hope it opens the minds of some JWs who are sold on the teaching of a return to an earthly paradise where there is no more pain, suffering and death. All these conditions are consistant with a mortal creation which was NOT intended to be eternal.

Shalom

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Death in Paradise !

by Pterist in

romans 5:12. therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--.

young earth creationists and jws (as opposed to old earth creationists) believe that adam and eve were the cause of all death and the subsequent cause of mortality in the universe, however the above scripture shows that adam and eve were the cause of mankind's subsequent death because of their sin, and lost out on the oppurinity of seeing god's glory to bring them to immortality by eating from the tree of life.

hebrews 2:5-11. .

Pterist

@Londo111 **** I suspect the Fall is pre-time ****

It makes the "Gap Theory" interesting. The Pre-time Seige of power by the opposing heavenly powers ?

The idea that mere mortal creatures could be empowered to overcome such would be an insult to them !?!?

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Death in Paradise !

by Pterist in

romans 5:12. therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--.

young earth creationists and jws (as opposed to old earth creationists) believe that adam and eve were the cause of all death and the subsequent cause of mortality in the universe, however the above scripture shows that adam and eve were the cause of mankind's subsequent death because of their sin, and lost out on the oppurinity of seeing god's glory to bring them to immortality by eating from the tree of life.

hebrews 2:5-11. .

Pterist

@cofty ****They believe that animals died before the "fall".****

Thanks for the reply, I must have missed out on that study, or just old age creeping up on me :)

So how do the JWs envisage the animal kingdom in a restored earthly paradise of no pain and death and the ultimate death of the universe and our planet ?

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Death in Paradise !

by Pterist in

romans 5:12. therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--.

young earth creationists and jws (as opposed to old earth creationists) believe that adam and eve were the cause of all death and the subsequent cause of mortality in the universe, however the above scripture shows that adam and eve were the cause of mankind's subsequent death because of their sin, and lost out on the oppurinity of seeing god's glory to bring them to immortality by eating from the tree of life.

hebrews 2:5-11. .

Pterist

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--

Young earth creationists and JWs (as opposed to old earth creationists) believe that Adam and Eve were the cause of ALL death and the subsequent cause of mortality in the universe, however the above scripture shows that Adam and Eve were the cause of MANKIND's subsequent death because of their sin, and lost out on the oppurinity of seeing God's glory to bring them to immortality by eating from the tree of life. Hebrews 2:5-11

What does the WBTS teach about the death of Dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures before Adam and Eve were created and sinned. I'm sure the animals and insects in the garden were NOT eternal either, and died and reproduced before their very eyes. Otherwise how would they understand Jehovah's command that NOT obeying him would result in death ? Adam and Eve did not asked God "What is death" ?

Death and mortality existed in the universe before Adam and Eve, earth was never intended to be an eternal home, but a temporary home to work out God's glory and sovereignty in HIS intended plan before creation as conceived in the mind of the creator. Ephesians 1:4

Comments, suggestions, outbursts, anyone ?????

Shalom :)

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I suspect the WTS mut be feeling pretty good about their own internal security...

by sir82 in

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...since it evidently was not confirmed in advance that the agm was going to be exclusively about releasing the rnwt.. i mean, we all kinda sorta expected it, but no one had a "smoking gun", as it were, officially confirming it.. in contrast, there was the leak, posted on this forum, of the july 15 2013 watchtower, a week or 2 before its official posting on jw.org.. .

i'm sure the rnwt was a well-guarded secret - on the other hand, there has been a rnwt translation committee in existence for 5+ years.

absolutely no one in the "apostate community" even hinted at this committee's existence.

Pterist

@Sir82 ***** Then, there was the logistical angle. Dozens of Bethelites were running the presses for months, printing & binding new Bibles*****

Is this a fact ?

I would imagine with the R.E. properties up for sale during this time period, they would have a clean house for viewing, and outsourced the printing, maybe China ?

I bet they will NOT be printing at Warwick !

shalom :)

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Movie - "Gravity" is a must see

by Comatose in

it was fantastic in imax 3d.

not a cheap fake computer fake 3d.

this was real 3d.

Pterist

If you go to see this movie makes sure you see it in 3D, awesome, otherwise, the storey line is weak and uneventful, it would have been better as a documentary IMHO.

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Accepting my own mortality, and the naturalness of death - the final step in my JW recovery.

by fresh prince of ohio in

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for people who have a paralyzing fear of dying, to where it seems like it's this horrible, stalking monster, jwism is a powerful sedative.. but really, the idea of living forever, in human form, is nonsense.

living forever isn't about living forever, it's about not dying.. death is natural.

it can be painful, sudden, or both.

Pterist

@Fresh Prince

My "2 cents" on this topic is not the fear of death itself but the PROCESS. Like many here in this forum, most have seen loved one die and shudder what some of them experienced.

It's a sobering though and very practical to do a living will as we face our fate of mortality in an anticipated known time period or unknown. It certainly enhances our love for life, the blessings that we may have experienced, and shows who and what is important to us with greater clarity.

One of the blessings in the Christian message is that it overcomes the fear of death. We can see that in Paul's letters as he welcomes the release from this life, "absent from the body, present with the lord." Lots of examples of early first century Christians shows no fear of death, and in our time we have heard of JWs SDA and Christians facing death without fear under Hitler. Some will comment that they were delusional, however, whether that's true or not is debatable but the power and evidence of bravery at the point of death is not.

I have my living will in place, my loved ones will be free from unnecessary government taxes and probate. I'm looking forward to death with curiosity and hope, however I'm NOT looking forward to the PROCESS.

Shalom !

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Recording meeting

by Fading Begins in

first 30 min announcing a collection of bibles collected from r & f that is to go on display at bethel.

also accounts of how they "miraculously" received bibles that they didn't think they could get - eg.

geneva bible.. now - watchtower study review as there is no meeting tomorrow..

Pterist

@Fading Begins

Thank you, great job, I passed on high light to other JW sites.

John 17:3 is a Hugh Change for the better...relationship rather than Acedemic informationland or facts.

Foot note on the name "Jehovah" aka Tetragrammaton is also Hugh implying we can't limit God's Nature and Characther to a mere "correct pronunciation of a name or understanding of one facet of the supreme Deity.

Thank again

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The relationship between the Father and Son. What's your opinion?

by DATA-DOG in

i am curious about this.

ever since i realized that there is no proof that jesus=michael the archangel, i wondered about who jesus was.

that's how i think of the father and the son, or the word.

Pterist

@ Data- Dog

You might be interested in what C S Lewis says on the subject, of Godly life! Begetting and Creating.

Here is one link of many from his book Mere Christianity.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plpp&v=Sd0f0RX2Ag8

Sorry I can't make this a hyper link on my iPad

Shalom Friend :)