In utero plastic surgery. Just kidding. Obviously, in the future, babies will be designed by selecting which genes of the parents to activate or correct. I don't honestly see a problem with the idea of a world of supermodels.
Apognophos
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To circumcise or not to circumcise?
by srd inhere's a good one for you, looking at gen 17 and paul's subversive interpretive practices.
http://contradictionsinthebible.com/is-the-covenant-of-circumcision-an-eternal-covenant-or-not/.
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what ever happened to the king of the north and king of south?
by nowwhat? inafter the daniel book came out, nothing has ben said about it in at least 10 years.
did that prohecy get thrown out the window when the soviet union fell?.
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Apognophos
The theme the speaker wove throughout the talk was that the Bible represents 4,000 years of human history,
but that since the last of these prophecies was recorded almost 2,000 years ago, not a single one of these
prophecies has been fulfilled. I almost fell out of my chair because she never once said they ever would be
fulfilled-- only stated what they were, that they've never been fulfilled, and that Christians continue to wait patiently.
Wow, really? I'd be keeping an eye on that sister if I were you :) Sounds like one of the conscious class.
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Do's and Dont's on debating JWs online
by Emery inrecently i have seen an increase number of former members trying to argue ttatt with jws on youtube, news articles, facebook and public forums.
for the most part, i do not see a lot of vicious or hostile debates when former members are trying to show ttatt, but i have seen some arguments and approaches turn out very ugly, to the point of many face palms.. i remember there were several instances that completely turned me off towards ttatt as a believer because "apostates" would be entirely reprehensible and would fit the bill of what the society termed "mentally diseased".
i cannot fault ones here who have gone on a similar rampage now that i understand how people lose everything and everyone they love.
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In line with Ding's comment (ha, this is sounding like a WT study), name-calling is probably the worst thing an apostate could do. Witnesses want to believe that all apostates are people who were disfellowshipped for naughtiness and are humiliated and bitter over it. So you would expect that an apostate's words would be vitriolic. Peruse the posts on this forum, and what do you find? "Cult" this, "LIE-ble" that. Lots of anger. I get that people need to vent, but a Witness who is weary and curious, but still believes it's the truth, will click away from this kind of talk very quickly. Silly expressions like "Gibbering Buddy" only make posts harder to read and more likely to turn off lurkers who are in-but-doubting.
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where will you go away to? versus whom shall we go away to?
by soft+gentle inthis thread was sparked by punkofnice's thread and started a lively "discussion" in my mind about patriarchal power.
so i didn't want to derail punkofnice's thread or tec's subsequent one, but am interested in a discussion.. punkofnice's thread.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/245335/1/the-gb-are-gods-mouthpiece-rebuttal-to-elders .
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Apognophos
I'm not convinced that this is a meaningful semantic distinction to make, but I'm open to argument. For instance, to a Witness, anywhere but the "truth" means that someone is under Satan's influence, so regardless of whether they're non-denominational Christian, agnostic, or Buddhist, they're serving Satan. Therefore, the "who" in the scripture is always "Satan".
Does saying "where" in place of "who" change the meaning of the thought? Peter followed up that question with the reason the apostles weren't going to leave Jesus; it wasn't healing miracles, or free food. It was because Jesus had sayings of everlasting life. To a Witness, only their understanding of the Bible, with its earthly hope for the majority, is "saying of everlasting life". So the Society doesn't need to make prophecies or perform miracles in order to encourage Witnesses to follow them. They just have to convince Witnesses that only they are on the "narrow road" using fear tactics and encouraging black-and-white thinking by saying things like, "You can't sit on the fence -- Satan owns the fence!".
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Power Struggle At Head Quarters Reason For Governing Body New Light?
by frankiespeakin inwell could it be that we overlooked this little idea in our reasonings on why the governing body is comming up with new light they love the idea of?
about the f&ds?.
you know to keep any type of rebellion at bay before it starts.. have you ever woundered what many that are closely associated with the governing body are feeling about these new guys called the governing body right now with all this new light loved by the governing body,,i smell trouble a brewing for these guys right there at headquarters i'm sure thier dealing with everbody they meet they reflect this same attitude so they got to be making enemies..
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What PYRAMIDSCHEME and Aussie Oz said.
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Do's and Dont's on debating JWs online
by Emery inrecently i have seen an increase number of former members trying to argue ttatt with jws on youtube, news articles, facebook and public forums.
for the most part, i do not see a lot of vicious or hostile debates when former members are trying to show ttatt, but i have seen some arguments and approaches turn out very ugly, to the point of many face palms.. i remember there were several instances that completely turned me off towards ttatt as a believer because "apostates" would be entirely reprehensible and would fit the bill of what the society termed "mentally diseased".
i cannot fault ones here who have gone on a similar rampage now that i understand how people lose everything and everyone they love.
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Thanks, Emery, I was thinking of starting a topic like this for the same reason, that I find a lot of arguments to be ineffective, or even worse, counterproductive. When I was a believer, I expected that all apostate arguments would be based on unfalsifiable assertions and ad hominem attacks, because I was taught that apostates were tricky and deceitful, so I figured that's all they could rely on for arguments, as opposed to arguing from scriptures or documented evidence.
What seemed to play right into my expectations was that any time I got anywhere near an apostate's words on the Internet, it was "Rutherford" this and "Russell" that. I had no interest in hearing smear campaigns about people who were long dead anyway, so I believed for many years that apostates had nothing important to say. Now I can appreciate a little more the importance of what those men did and said, but I still believe that it gives the impression that apostates are like a dog with an old, nasty bone that they refuse to let go of.
And frankly, the 1975 issue was the same for me. "I wasn't even alive then, who cares about that? The Society hasn't predicted any end date since then, and barely published anything explicitly naming 1975 at the time, so why is this relevant to me as a Witness who is keeping up with new light?"
I'm sure some people will want to argue the value of discussing the above topics, but all I can say is that those two topics completely mis-represented what I eventually found when I dared to actually read something intelligent that could be considered "apostate" (JWFacts, to be exact). I had no idea that there were even any cogent Biblical arguments against most Witness beliefs, and I've been amazed at how much I've learned about the Bible and scriptural context these last few months by reading different sites and some posts here. But if you'd asked me two years ago what apostates had to say, I would have dismissed it with, "Pssh, they're all stuck in the past, embittered over stuff that has no relevance now."
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PREACHING WORK MUST STOP!
by The Searcher inas christians we are continually (and correctly) reminded that we must adhere to bible principles, because then we can appreciate the teachings and reasoning behind many scriptures.
applying the wtbts doctrines presented to us as bible-based fact, we must "strain out the gnat and gulp down the camel" (matt.
23:23,24) by ceasing forthwith from the preaching work.. the justification is simple; by applying the society's orders as to how we must treat disfellowshipped ones, we must take heed of christ's words at matthew 18:17 "if he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation.
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Heh, I appreciate your point, Searcher.
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Conversation with my JW co-worker!
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good day...so this is the conversation i had with a co-worker of mine i mentioned in an earlier thread...shes a jw and doesnt know that i was associated with the jws before and that im a fader.
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I'm not really convinced this is serving any beneficial purpose. You can't force someone to "wake up", especially not by duplicitous means. What is the real goal here? To get this lady out of the truth so she's eligible?
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Governing Body. How are they selected these days?
by punkofnice ini see that pope anderson (the sontaran) was the latest edition to the corum of paedophile protecting filth, namely the governing body.. y'know those twats that say they love you at the front of the yearbook and yet promote hate.. how did the sontaran get to be on the gb?
masonic handshakes?
giving them money?
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Considering the JW emphasis placed on living by Jewish laws over Christian principles, I would half expect the Urim and Thummim to come into play at some point in the process.
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NWT Matt 18:2 Child referred to as "it"
by Red Piller inthe nwt translation renders matt 18:2 this way,.
"so, calling a young child to him, he set it in their midst ".
calling a child "it" made me curious.
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"It's a girl!" / "It's a boy!"
I for one think the Society is to be commended for not assuming "it" was a boy.