There's no hard line between attraction to pubescent children and attraction to adults. We know that in ancient cultures, "women" were often married off at 16, 14 or 12. People saw nothing wrong with it at the time, perhaps partly due to shorter life expectancies (though they weren't as short as most people think these days). Nowadays, if someone is born with an interest in that same age group, they are branded as the worst kind of filth. Isn't that interesting?
Apognophos
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Killing In Self Defense
by Cold Steel inthe man was moving around in the darkness of j's home with a gun.
he was certain j. and his family weren't there, but he was wrong.
when a door suddenly opened and a dark figure fumbled for the hallway light, he had only a moment to act.
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I see. I took "civiized" in the other sense of the word -- as you said, "high minded", or "enlightened". It didn't seem relevant to say that more of the U.K. is urban than the U.S. because, if anything, crime rates are higher in cities. The urban environment is fundamentally toxic to humans, and people turn to crime as a result of the formation of pockets of poverty in cities.
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NWT departure from greek meaning
by aintenoughwiskey inthe new jw library app includes the kingdom interlinear.
just by looking up the scriptures at the meeting when i went, revealed the following "departures" from the other translations:.
rev 5:10 "over the earth" vs "upon the earth".
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Apognophos
Just some quick notes about your post, Island Man:
1. There's nothing inherently wrong with translating a given phrase in different ways according to context in order to render something clearly. Even the old NWT is not a literal rendering. I think the reason Rev. 20:4 is rendered that way is that most Bibles express it as the KJV does:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
which leaves the question of why the word of God got these Christians executed. It can only be because they were speaking about it, can't it? That's probably why Darby renders it "on account of the testimony of Jesus, and on account of the word of God". What the Society did here was turn a noun into a verb; this is a common practice in English, often called verbifying. What matters is whether the message of the verse was changed. Do you think that it was?
2. Wow, this is new to me. Very interesting! I will have to file this away in my memory in case I talk about it with a JW some day.
3. Actually, it's the phrase "not doing so out of respect for" which is unusual here, though it's not entirely an "addition"; it's a longer rendition of the phrase that most Bibles render as "before God". I think the Society was simply trying to clarify that when angels do not rebuke glorious ones "before God" it means that they are avoiding rebuking them because they are conscious that they are in view of God.
However, if you were to say this is a strange translation choice, I would agree, because I'm not sure the verse meant that. Do you see a doctrinal bias here? I don't understand the reason for this change. It seems to me that probably the writer meant that angels, when giving an account before God (a report to him), do not speak badly of "glorious ones". If so, then the Society has definitely changed the sense of the passage.
4. Totally agree with you here. 14:8 is a good verse to show to JWs that it does matter when "lord" is replaced with "Jehovah".
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How many of the GB helpers are "anointed"?
by Nostromo inaccording to this list there are 29 helpers at the moment: https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/jehovahs-witnesses-governing-body-committees.jpg.
i wonder how many of these are "anointed"?
all the current seven gb members were helpers first and then appointed to be gb members.
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What you have just written isn't taught by any religion, let alone JW's!
Oh really?
*** w92 3/1 pp. 20-21 par. 17 The Day to Remember ***
What if some anointed ones fail to be integrity keepers? At this late hour, the number of such disloyal ones will no doubt be few. Reasonably, any replacement would come, not from among newly baptized ones, but from among those who have stuck with Jesus in his trials through many years of faithful service. The brilliant flashes of spiritual light that came through The Watchtower in the 1920’s and 1930’s indicate that the gathering of the remnant of anointed ones was practically completed during that period. Those ‘washing their robes and making them white in the blood of the Lamb’ since then have a different joyful hope. Through Christ, Jehovah’s spirit guides them to “fountains of waters of life” in the Paradise earth.
You have also given "generation" yet another new and twisted definition.
People on this board have as much of a problem with understanding the word "generation" as the Society does. Don't get me started on this. My usage of the word was perfectly acceptable.
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How many of the GB helpers are "anointed"?
by Nostromo inaccording to this list there are 29 helpers at the moment: https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/jehovahs-witnesses-governing-body-committees.jpg.
i wonder how many of these are "anointed"?
all the current seven gb members were helpers first and then appointed to be gb members.
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I didn't mean generation as in "a descendant of a previous anointed one", I was just referring to the fact that an anointed one would probably be replaced by someone from a younger generation because they likely "strayed" after some years, probably not after 2 or 3 years.
So if you imagine that the 1st century Christians populated the 1st generation of 144,000, and maybe the 2nd as well, and then things got corrupted and there were no anointed until Russell's time, you have about four generations of "true worshippers" up until now from which to keep picking replacements as a previous anointed one loses his appointment before "finishing his earthly course".
I wasn't aware that this explanation was ever formally rejected by the Society. As far as your assertion that the numbers would have to remain level or drop in order to support this theory, that would only be true if all rejected-and-replaced anointed ones ceased partaking.
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Do we know for sure what happens after death?
by Yondaime inchristian denominations say we go to heaven, witness say we stay alseep until ressurection.
quran says when we go we grt 72 virgins, unless we blow some people up.. .
i'm not really concerned with death atm, i'm not dead.
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Apognophos
Personally, I like the Quran version of getting 72 virgins.
Now that I think about it, where do all those virgins come from, anyway?
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How many of the GB helpers are "anointed"?
by Nostromo inaccording to this list there are 29 helpers at the moment: https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/jehovahs-witnesses-governing-body-committees.jpg.
i wonder how many of these are "anointed"?
all the current seven gb members were helpers first and then appointed to be gb members.
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Why can't a JW realize they're anointed later in life, factfinder? Are you referring to the belief that the 144,000 should already have been selected a long time ago? The explanation is supposed to be that the new anointed ones are replacements for others that strayed during their earthly course. Although if someone starts partaking in 2014 then they would probably have to be a fourth or sixth generation replacement.
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Terminology the Society Hates?
by toweragent inin my most recent talk, i got counseled for using some terms that were not prefered.
for example i said "new testament" rather than "the christian greek scriptures".
i also used the term "gospel", but even worse, i made reference to the "synoptic gospels" and the "gnostic gospel".. i guess i never thought of it before, but when i looked at the societies information on the matter they always say things like, "the so-called new testament..." or "the so-called synoptic gospels..." why with all the "so-called?".
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I never noticed this one until I started coming here, but now when I hear a brother say "information board" instead of "bulletin board" I'm always kind of agoggle that such a mundane subject has to be a part of the special Watchtower lingo. Maybe churches say "bulletin board", but really? Is it a term that has such a strong connection to "false religion" that it has to be verboten?
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I thought he was a personable speaker. Not sure what the OP doesn't like about him, though he does perhaps pour on the charm a little too sickly sweet.
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Killing In Self Defense
by Cold Steel inthe man was moving around in the darkness of j's home with a gun.
he was certain j. and his family weren't there, but he was wrong.
when a door suddenly opened and a dark figure fumbled for the hallway light, he had only a moment to act.
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I wasn't extrapolating anything, I was just trying to understand your reasoning. I still don't. I guess if you stay out of bad neighborhoods or carry enough "mugging money" you'll probably be fine?
Anyway, nobody should want to shoot another person, and I was disagreeing earlier with the Drty Harry mentality of "if anyone breaks into my house, I'm just going to open fire on them". But as Cold Steel demonstrated, having a gun is often a sufficient deterrent, without having to use it.