@Smiddy... you have JW.org... so you can download 2000 year old scriptures and some dope books...
DeWandelaar
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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?
by smiddy inhe/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.
fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.
with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.
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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?
by smiddy inhe/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.
fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.
with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.
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DeWandelaar
@Cold Steel I did not respond to the conversion part because I was not willing to answer that one that day. Your tone seems a bit judgemental where only God can judge people. If I have overwhelming evidence and proof I will not only have faith but would absolutely be converted. I have always been like that: If I believe in something/someone I will go for it and for the full monty. That is why being in a snare of cult was hardass for me... it totally sucked me up.
About skeptisism: you were a converted JW once... skeptisism got you out right? Skeptisism led you to the way you want to follow... I do not say you shouldn't because if it makes you happy then it is ok with me... I am just saying that because you became skeptical you could choose something else.
About the use of scriptures: You do not seem to understand what I mean... if I say to you to proof me why a certain book or document is legit then it means I do not see that book as an authority untill I have the proof in hand. After all... it may be a fraud. What happens here is that I tell you to proof me it is legit... and you start to get things out of these scriptures of which I told you does not hold authority.
It is the same as me asking you why a Donald Duck magazine is from devine origin . An answer like "because in volume 53 of the donald duck, donald is wearing wings and casts lightening on his neighbour" is not proof... it is instead the same magazine which origins I question that is trying to back up it's own divineness... Do you understand what I am saying? I want proof that the BIBLE or any other book is from divine origin... thus far I have only seen evidence of the contrary...
As a witness this always annoyed me when I was walking with an other witness in service. A person at the door tells the publisher that he does not believe what the bible says... the publisher is taking the bible and shows the book of timothy about the importance of the bible. I then thought: dude... he tells you he does not believe in the bible and you get quotes from that book instead of proving why you should believe in the bible.
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The final chapter in the confusedandalone story...
by confusedandalone inthis morning i get a frantic call from my sister (who has been baptized 1 year and one month and never attends meetings anymore).
in tears she tells me that this morning my father picked her up in the car and told her that i was am apostate.
that i no longer loved jehovah and that i was going to be disfellowshipped.
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Confusedandalone... I wish you strenght and honor in this matter... In the end is they who err
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Interview Dutch Witness family: Jehovah is above everything else. Even above our children!
by Gorbatchov inin a dutch (netherlands) nationwide daily newspaper, today an interview with a witness family was published.
a perfect witness family.. only not so perfect: they say "jehovah is first for us and above everything else.
even above our children".
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No... only google translate :( ... but it is the same crap that all JW's would write about their children and preaching work (in the media).
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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?
by smiddy inhe/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.
fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.
with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.
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@Cold Steel ... English is not my native language so playing "word-games" with me does not work ;)
Some people do not understand this simple fact: they refer to a book which I am not seeing as an authority (anymore). The reason is there are too many uncertainties about the origins of the writings/writers and the inconsistencies that are found in these scriptures are enormous. Trying to convince me by refering to the bible or to biblical figures or saying things like "The bible says..." or "The book of Mormon says..." are useless because for me it holds no authority.
The other reason, as I have stated before, is that I find it hard to believe that God is interfering with people the whole time in the past and suddenly nothing happens for over 2000 years. It is the same as leaving a child alone with his mum... going to a other country for 30-40 years and coming back and say to his child: hey boy! I am your father so you better listen to me... how many credit does that "father" get from his kids?
Let me refer to a scripture in the same book that I do no conscider a authority but religious people do... Proverbs 29:15:
15 v The rod and reproof give wisdom,
but a child left to himself wbrings shame to his mother.
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Wait on Jehovah - What does is it truly mean?
by ProfCNJ ingood evening folks!
we have encountered this advice countlessly on wt study articles.
this especially comes out to ease the waiting pain of brothers eagerly waiting for god's new world and the end of the old system of things - with all the sufferings that go along with it.. i also noticed this being floated to try to extend the patience of brothers who are jumping ahead of the organization in terms of thinking - as if they are pre-empting the organization on certain sensitive views and issues.. if a brother has gotten an idea or insight that is far more superior than the present affairs in the society, or regarded as way in advance - he can be branded as a brother "not in order".
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In my opinion it means: Wait on the GB/ Wait on the FT ... why? They do not get spirit guided information and therefore they place themselves in the seat of Jehovah. Fill in the GB where you find Jehovah and you will see what I mean
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Interview Dutch Witness family: Jehovah is above everything else. Even above our children!
by Gorbatchov inin a dutch (netherlands) nationwide daily newspaper, today an interview with a witness family was published.
a perfect witness family.. only not so perfect: they say "jehovah is first for us and above everything else.
even above our children".
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I think I know you too 1009... are you originally from Harderwijk (I am not by the way).
About the story: it is sickening and the reactions on the article says enough about the public view.
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After 2000 years since JC was executed ,why have we heard not a whisper from GOD ALMIGHTY ?
by smiddy inhe/she had no problem talking to adam and eve ,though they were sinners in his/her sight .throughout the hebrew sriptures, ot, he /she had no problem communicating with fallen man ,imperfect humans , to dictate his will to his subjects by means of prophets , male and female ,according to the bible , the old testament ,the hebrew scriptures , god communicated not once ,not twice ,not even thrice ,but dozens of times during the first 4000 years of human history according to the bible.. why has this god been so silent these past 2000 years ,when their have been atrocities above the scale of anything that has ever been seen these past 6000 years of human existence .. oh you may say that the atrocities were not committed by god they were committed by man.
fair enough .but god intervened in human affairs in such smaller infringements.
with prophets or so the bible says.. the so called apostacy after the last of the apostles , the influence of satan in the world ,( or was that after 1914 ,) and the 2000 year gap when christ was supposed to return ,never mind about all the crap that went before it .. the fact remains we have never heard from god ,any god, or even" a " god, with either his/her approval or disapproval of events good or bad these past 2000 years... smiddy.
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@Cold Steel ... I am actually flabbergasted about this remark: as I said, we need not prove anything, though if you were willing to put the time into it, we could provide you and anyone else with compelling evidence. But evidence and proof are two very different things.
Lol: the point is proof makes things UNDOUBTLY true... Evidence is something that MIGHT be true... I have seen a lot of "evidence" in the past that was presented by using tunnel vision. It has wasted 35 years of my life in that respect. I am absolutely sure, without a reason of a doubt, that your compelling evidence is backed up just the same way as all religions back up their claims.
What kind of proof do I need to see in order to believe? Well... if someone who calls himself Jesus comes here and resurrects my dear ones... helps the people who are sick beyond saving... lost limps by accidents etc etc (so just like in the Gospels)... helps the poor etc I would be an instant believer because it would absolutely without a question of a doubt show me his will and power: his diviness. I mean... why would anyone expect ME or anyone else to trust a BOOK that is NOT written natively in my own language and got translated and put together by some powerhungry blokes a couple of hundred years ago and wants ME to then believe in the person that is written within it?? Why would God wants to be even connecting his name with a book that is contradicting itself (in other words: sells untruths), supports oppression of whole tribes of people, commits genocides and get away with it, see women as whores and filth and thinks it is oke to kill thousands of children? I do not think the bible represents him well. And to be honest: IF God is represented by the Bible then I do not want anything to do with him. I am not made in THAT image... I do NOT kill kids, I do not treat women like whores, I do NOT have slaves, I do not judge people by their beliefs or nonbeliefs, I have respect for the free will of other people and I want to be a good person.
Same with the book you are putting your faith in: Why would I trust a person who is picking some stuff out of the bible and replaces some elements and some tribes (without proof of excistence mind!) and calls it "The Book of Mormon"?
The fact that an american dude (call him russell or smith or whoever) who has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Jewish people of the Bible are starting a religion based on a vision and some plates with some bogus languages o r other "sacred" elements (that were never recovered) on it without even the slightest backup is not enough for me (as it should not be for anyone). I mean: there is now a guy in Australia who is claiming to be Jesus Christ reborn (he was actually a JW before!)... people cry and get all kinds of spasms when he is talking to them about their feelings... there are people coming from all the globe to meet this guy and to visit his "workshops". Must I trust this guy to be the Messiah reborn? Or is it just a nutcase? Does the fact that people gather followers and believers gives him ANY credibility to be seen as Christ Jesus? Now... substitute that bloke with Joseph Smith or Russell and you will actually see there is absolutely no difference between him and others.
I absolutely do not understand why you can believe that crap after being held captive by a other cult for so long?!
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Need Help - Looks like some one in my family got to know that we are fading...
by MissConfused inletter from a close family member... need help responding.... what a powerful illustration of the affect that our choice of friends can have on us, especially if we leave jehovah after being 'raised' by him from infancy!.
pack of wolvesthere was a farmer who raised sheep and had trouble with wolves stealing his sheep.
he loved his sheep and didn't want to lose even one of them.
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If it looks like a wolf and acts like a wolf if is a wolf right? It will never be a sheep! So the shepherd willingly took a wolf in of which he knew would never, ever become a sheep. So the shepherd endangered the sheep in the first place.
To make things even worse: who told the wolf the truth? The shepherd? Or the wolves? The shepherd denied the origin of the wolf and wanted to change it into a sheep... the wolves told the cub the truth and wolves would do what they should do: hunt for prey.
Also... the wolf in the illustration was going with the pack but was not attacking showing that he was not the same as the rest... the shepherd killed him anyways (so far for mercy).
So in all these occasions it was a dumb illustration
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New Arrangement: All Can Listen In to Bethel Annual Meeting
by Red Piller ina letter read at our meeting.. .
our congregation is assigned a location (a nearby congregation) to listen (video, also?
) to the annual meeting.
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I think they will invite everyone to go to wallkill... and a date for armagedon