Posts by SusanHere

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JW & non-JW Relationship...gone bad?

by Bashed_BF in

hey i'm not a jehovah witness but i need some points of views from you on this subject[i had nice long written version but it was deleted on accident when i tryed to backspace].

anywayz i started dating a jehovah witness a little under a year ago...she wasnt to beleiving in the religion and wasnt to big on it but her mom made her go every thursday and sunday none the less.

she knew her mom wouldnt accept her in a relationship.

SusanHere

Bashed,

Sorry to tell you, but you are in a total losing position here. You are not going to win her parents over, and after past actions you and she have been involved in, they will never allow you near her or them, unless they are idiots. Parents believe they are doing the best by their children, or most believe they are, anyway. Whether they are or not, unless what they are doing is actually illegal, nobody can interfere and get away with it. The parents will only come down harder on the child in question, with more rules, more restrictions, more watchfulness, and less opportunity for the child to go the other way than the parents want.

Not fair? Probably not. But to the parents' way of thinking, what you have tried to do is definitely not fair. I threatened more than one of my teens' suitors with jail and/or physical harm if they didn't end attempted relationships my husband and I did not approve of. That is a natural protective instinct for a parent. Trying to go around them will only make them close ranks even tighter.

Bottom line...You and she want to go your own way? As soon as you are both of legal age, feel free. Until then, you are only butting your heads against a stone wall.

BTW -- an arrest record is not a good thing to have. It's not worth it.

I'm not JW, but that's my 2 cents, as a parent.

Susan

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HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

by JT in

jw
friends

i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

SusanHere

HighPriest,

Thanks for your OUTSTANDING link to good Masonic info. Take a look, peeps.

Susan

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HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

by JT in

jw
friends

i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

SusanHere

Jools j,

Wrong again. But on here it seems wrong is king. Enjoy.

: )

Susan

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What are the most stupid JW rule?

by beroea in

jw
friends

what are the most stupid jw rule?.

what do you consider to be the most stupid rules or tradition of the jw lives?

im thinking about any kind of rule or regulative that only has one answer to the questions why:.

SusanHere

Hi, Joel,

I remember you from the chats a year or two back. Your comment here is so sad as it is right on the money. Shunning makes no sense at all. People in trouble need the congregation to rally around them, and help hold them up through the tough times. Turning your back helps no one. I hope you have good friends now. You deserve them.

BTW, my sister and her family were once "expelled" (in her words) from a congregation because they were on public assistance, very poor, had very little by way of material things, and were told they were "too needy". How much sense can that make? That would have been the end of it for me, but she's still a member. Kicked in the teeth and she picked herself up, wiped off the blood, said, "Thank you, I needed that." blamed herself for their cruelty, and moved to a new congregation.

I never understood it. Still don't. I guess I really don't want to. Her life. Her choice. Sure wouldn't have been mine.

Good luck to you, Joel.

Susan

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HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

by JT in

jw
friends

i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

SusanHere

Thanks for your comment, Jan. I've followed your posts, and your link to your Observer site for quite a while now. It has been an educating experience for me.

Susan

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HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

by JT in

jw
friends

i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

SusanHere

Hi, GUS,

Let's think a minute...Who could sell a book, whether accurate or not, except someone who CLAIMED to have been included in the "top secret, inner circle" of whatever organization is supposedly being exposed to the world?

And IF that organization really IS "secret" with "death oaths", he'd be pretty sure NOBODY would come forward and challenge what he wrote, wouldn't he?

Even without "death oaths", just by virtue of what goes on there being sacred to those who believe in them, that would be enough to ensure that NOBODY would be able to prove his expose to be the pile of dung that it is, as sacred things, by their very nature, cannot be "proven" to the world.

And if he made SURE to hawk his book as being full of lurid details -- perhaps even some of the ridiculous verbage some on this link have been using, such as all the reference to sexual meanings of jewelry (ROFLMAO)-- wouldn't he be sure to sell more books?

EVERY group that has limited their membership in any way is vulnerable to such tactics, and almost powerless to defend themselves in the court of public opinion. Let's face it...There's a reason the National Inquirer sells so many copies. Some people just can't get enough of smut and scandal about the people next door. Truth would only spoil the thrill of the slander.

I say again...The Masons -- of whom I am not now nor ever have been a part, though my family has been for many generations -- are not associated with Satanism, are not into molesting little girls, even at the 33rd Degree level, do not kill people, do not deny Jesus Christ, do not have symbols that are fertility symbols or other sexually-linked symbols, and are not out to overthrow the government.

That this is not acceptable to many in here is your problem. I realize how much more titillating it is to envision all matter of dirty, incestuous activity going on in that building up the street that you aren't allowed into unless you are a member. Too bad the simple truth is so much less fun.

Susan Here

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HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

by JT in

jw
friends

i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

SusanHere

Vienna,

Just become someone posts something doesn't make it true, except MAYBE to them. Same with what is written as "research". For every book stating something is emphatically WHITE, another will come along and with equal verve and ferver declare it to be GREEN or BLACK. So, just by virtue of getting something published and getting gullible people to buy it and/or getting on TV to talk it up, is no guarantee of accuracy.

Most "research" regarding religion, cults, clubs, fraternal organizations, and/or the Boy Scouts of America is actually nothing more than personal opinion with a liberal smattering of "testimony" from those individuals supposedly (a.) helped or (b.) harmed or (c.) bored to tears and couldn't care less by said organization. And again, that so-called testimony is usually not verifiable and wouldn't hold up in any court of law, let alone under a microscope with the bright light of truth thrown on it.

But I do enjoy reading comments from people who will believe anything in publication. Maybe someday I'll write a book so I can get rich off guillible people, too! LOL

Susan

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HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

by JT in

jw
friends

i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

SusanHere

IANAO -- Wow, I'm sooooo impressed by your class, tact, intelligence, and thorough knowledge of my (and probably every other female's) physique and character! NOT!!

Then again, those of your ilk cannot be expected to do better.

Ciao and have a good day! : )

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HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

by JT in

jw
friends

i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

SusanHere

Amazing how someone can write the most lurid piece of trash the world has ever seen and the gullible will devour it like ambrosia. But feel free! I really don't mind. Masons are not now nor have the ever been, Satanic. Handshakes and "secrets" do NOT equate with Satanic, no matter how much outsiders like to think it surely must. The only thing they have in common is that they both breath air.

Just because you got, in your words (or the words of many on here) "duped" once by a "controlling organization" doesn't mean EVERY organization is "controlling" and "duping" people. Get real. Move on and get a life. Stop seeing boogey men behind every fencepost.

The Bible says beware of those who call evil good and good evil. I won't bother to cite the verse since I'm sure you know it as well as I do, or at least you should. Stick the label of evil where you like, as again, I really don't care. But try to use SOME common sense about those you know nothing about other than the trash you read which was written by someone trying to sell a book to the fools who love to read sensational, exaggerated, made-up tales about perfectly decent people.

HAVE A GOOD DAY!

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HELP!!- JT asked to become a MASON!

by JT in

jw
friends

i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.

this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.

i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.

SusanHere

Oh, and about the square and the compass being "fertility signs" and obscene, again, you are looney tunes. They represent the strictness of following the code of honor and truth without margin for error. Nice try, but no cigars. then again, after clinton, who'd want a cigar anyway?