forgive me for the formatting.
i can never tell how its going to look in advance.
the call went like this:
Oh, dear! And here I was just going to say I really like Dr. Laura. I even have her book. She's so good at shocking people into looking at what a mess they're making of their lives. It's quite entertaining. I don't agree with all she says, of course. She's dead wrong on one topic. Well, two.
Guess I'd better not say any of that after all.
SusanHere
i recently starting watching the hbo drama "big love" and was wondering.
if anyone here who is a mormon or used to be one or is connected to mormons.
somehow has seen the show, and what you think of it.. .
Oh, to make matters worse with the "surrogate" storyline, my husband and I have children of our own and also raised adopted children. When this story aired, one dearly beloved relative said, in all seriousness, "Now I know why you chose to have so many children and even had to adopt more. What IS the required number for the Celestial Kingdom?"
Did I need this conversation? NO.
I do not need our motives for wanting children being pidgeonholed into some stupid category so totally unrelated to why we actually had them. Most of the calls demanding explanations are just annoying, but that one really made me sad.
SusanHere
i recently starting watching the hbo drama "big love" and was wondering.
if anyone here who is a mormon or used to be one or is connected to mormons.
somehow has seen the show, and what you think of it.. .
It's not a show I regularly watch, but every so often the topic of the week, or the current script thread, will prompt me to watch. Often I get phone calls along the line of "they said such and such on the show.... it that true???" I try to say, "Hey, get real. It's a tv show and they want ratings. Of course they're going for shocking, outlandish, unreasonably biased story lines."
Truthfully, it makes me annoyed that I have to explain things the show chooses to portray. My parents and other non-LDS family members love to find things to criticize about anything remotely LDS. Like so many viewers, they cannot seem to grasp the difference between Fundamentalist Mormons (i.e. the show) and Latter-day Saints (my family and I). My life is easier when the show is on hiatus! LOL
On one episode an LDS neighbor was begging to be given the unborn baby of one of the multiple wives, who was claiming to be a surrogate mother. Hope that isn't too convoluted. Anyway, the LDS woman cried and begged to be given the baby because, as she tearfully put it, her husband was going to leave her because she couldn't provide him with spiritual children and without them she and her husband couldn't go to the Celestial Kingdom.
I had barely picked myself up off the floor where I was rolling around laughing, when the phone rang and I -- once again -- got to explain to shocked relatives that NO, having children is NOT a requirement for Celestial entrance. (I would put in an eye rolling emoticon here, but don't know how, so just imagine a really big eye roll!)
Too bad, too, as the acting on the show is pretty good, but really, couldn't they spend an extra few dollars a week to have an actual LDS person fact-check this type of trash before writing it into the storyline? Or maybe just stick to the Fundamentalist/Polygamy line and leave the Latter-day Saints out of it? Either way would be fine with me. It would save me a lot of explaining over nothing but a writer's overactive imagination coupled with gross ignorance.
SusanHere
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-hinckley28jan28,0,1888134.story.
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Common human decency prevents most people from making jokes about the death of any human being.
Pres. Hinkley was a man of rare kindness and compassion who devoted his life to bettering the lot of all people. He was a much loved leader who will be missed by those who knew him.
For these reasons, if for no others, please show some respect for those who grieve his passing. It's the right thing to do.
SusanHere
the mormons are without a prophet today since gordon hinkley 97 who served for 13 years passed away due to old age complications.. his was a quiet term for a president since his predecessor had to deal with the 60's sexual and racial revolution.
{in the late 1960's the prophet told mormons that god now allowed blacks into the priesthood...after years of much contraversey.
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The Presidency passed in the instant of Pres. Hinkley's death to Pres. Monson. There was never any question, nor any vying for leadership. It's already all in place.
Thank you, Qcmbr, for reminding everyone how to act with simple common decency. It seems some have forgotten.
SusanHere
it seems that many jehovah's witnesses are not so sure about "the truth".
from this and other website/discussion groups and from my own experience a lot of witnesses are having major doubts, but seem to be hanging in the organization, probably because of the disfellowshipping thing.
i hope the bethelite that came up with that got a big bonus.. .
I may be wrong, but if my Pioneer JW sister is any example, more and more of them are leading double lives ... one that they let the other JWs see and one that they are really living. For instance, my sister chose to attend the birthday party of her only grandchild. I asked if she was telling her JW friends, and for once she didn't cover for them but just simply said, "No, I only told my Pioneer partner who is attending the birthday party of her elderly (parent) next week. I know she won't tell anyone." I hope she's right about that.
My sister sent me a Christmas present this year, wrapped in Christmas paper. No pretense of it just "happening" to arrive around Christmas time but not "really" being a present, as in years past. She sent a birthday present, too, the same way, wrapped in birthday paper.
When she came to visit there were a lot of little things that she did now that she hadn't done before, like adding a firm "Amen!" after my husband or I said prayers. Used to be that she wouldn't even close her eyes or even pretend to be a part of the prayer. It was more like, "I'm counting the boards on the floor so I don't have to listen!" So this is a big change. And she doesn't use JW-speak anymore when we ask her to be the voice for prayer.
She also never says things like, "I'll come visit you this summer, IF this system hasn't ended by then." That used to be a mantra for her whenever anything future was discussed. She believed each night was the last. In the morning it would be Paradise. Only it never was.
There are a lot of little things that seem to be adding up to a big change of heart for her, though I know if I ask her directly, she'll deny any deviation from her former hard-line Pioneer stance.
So I just don't ask. How many other JWs are doing exactly the same?
SusanHere
it just occurred to me that i have never seen a member on jwd who was a minister/priest/rabbi/monk,friar,shamman, etc.
maybe i have just missed their posts and then again, maybe they don't come here for some reason.
i know they must come in contact with jw's and ex-jw's all the time.
Maybe they prefer anonymity?
SusanHere
hit this link and type in your time and place of birth.
you will get a chart done within seconds.
i'm interested to see how yours fits your personality.
WOW!!! Mine could not have been more spot on. What fun!
Thank you!
SusanHere
P.S. I'm an Aries.
i have heard that the bible as we know it today is not in it's entirety.
i feel that this is deceptive and had people argue that the present day bible is how god intended us to read it because that is all we need/ it is presented how he wants us to have it.
i don't buy that and feel that god wouldn't "hide" any of the holy scriptures as men have done.
How about these ones:
BIBLE DICTIONARY
Lost Books The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they are considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following: book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21: 14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10: 13; 2 Sam. 1: 18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11: 41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29: 29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29: 29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29: 29; 2 Chr. 9: 29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9: 29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9: 29; 2 Chr. 12: 15; 2 Chr. 13: 22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12: 15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20: 34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33: 19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5: 9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3: 3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4: 16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1: 14). To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text, but may perhaps be known by a different title; for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24: 7), which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10: 25); the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26: 22). The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that he gave to his people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete. Matthew’s reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (Matt. 2: 23) is interesting when it is considered that our present O.T. seems to have no statement as such. There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isaiah 11: 1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David. The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth. Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jer. 23: 5; Jer. 33: 15; Zech. 3: 8; Zech. 6: 12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh. Rather cool, I thought. SusanHere
for those of you that dont know me, i am a single dad with 3 boys for 5 years now, my x signed her rights away long ago.. .
no support ever, no insurance, even before she signed her rights away, many long stories of her abuse that caused her to lose custody to me years ago, she has never dealt with her abuse over even acknowledged it, i put my kids thru years of counseling, and they do not wish to see her, she has been calling alot lately, i dont hear from her for maybe 4 months at a time, she is crying , wanting to try to see them.. i must tell you she has , mentally , physically, and mentally sexually abused them, and then charged me with sexual abuse, with which it took me a year in evaluations, and family studies , and 35,000 in lawyer fees to disprove, and the judge saw her lies and removed them from her for abuse.
i also believe she has many emotional problems , both real and imagined.
Absolutely not!!!
Your job is to protect your children from any further harm. Your ex is harm waiting to happen.
We adopted two children from an extreme abuse situation. After a few years, much therapy and treatment, the children were doing well. Then the birth parents begged to see the children just once. So we made the journey to their home state, where the birth parents stole the children, terrorizing them. Luckily they didn't have them long. But the damage of that visit lasted for years. We never let them have any contact with the children again.
Don't be kind and soft hearted like we were... not in a case like this. We learned too late. No matter what, keep her away from your children. They've suffered enough.
SusanHere
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