trying to get out after only being in for a year or so.
my wife and i were really taken in by these folks.
we are both have degrees and should have known better.
MissMyHarley,
Welcome from a Brit biker! Great to hear you got out with friendships still in tact. We were in 30 + years so had to start all over again. I ride a BMW r1200rt and wifey FreeandHappy goes pillion. Its amazing that all our new friends we've made are all bikers, they really are a happy welcoming bunch. As is everyone here!
We've done a tour of Ireland and off in June to see France, Germany and Switzerland. Man, we love being freeee!
GoneAwol..for good
hi there, as was suggested to me, i'm starting this thread to say hi to everyone.. my awakening began recently, after the new light on the 'slave'.
i felt it didn't add up and went to check and found out ttatt.
for a while i tried to find evidence of whether the wt might still be god's organization, i needn't say i couldn't.. i had already resigned as a ministerial servant and a pioneer, had already had several issues with the elders and did not put up with their nonsense for a long.
AlecHolmes:
"When I did my research recently and came across all the stupid generation changes I pinched myself and asked, "Where the hell were you when this happened and how come didn't you realize it sooner?" And then I remembered I was either just not going to meetings, or just trying to solve problems with elders whilst still trying to hang on to my faith."
A belated hello Alec! Recently i have been scouring the inside of my brain to try and remember when the overlapping generation thing came to be. I cant remember a darn thing about it! In fact, I think I learned of this wonderful new truth (cough) on JWnet!! Having a newborn daughter probably didnt help at the time, in-fighting between families etc would have been a distraction. My wife has just trundled downstairs to greet the new day, and I asked her the same question. Do you remember when this new light about the overlapping generation happened? "No, not a clue? Is this another new light?"
In fact, thinking back, our whole life in the jw machine is just a fog. Certain things are highlights or when things went wrong, but on a spiritual level, it was a wilderness full of nothing...and it was only 5 or 6 years ago when we left. Strange, but it feels as if my life is only just starting.
GoneAwol..for good
questions from the readers (w15, 01/01).
what is the christian position regarding looking out the window ?.
"gods word, the bible, commands us to thoroughly make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine.
I was expecting you to write "would God look out of windows? No, he is too high up in heaven. We should follow Gods example and not stoop so low as to do things that God himself would avoid", or, "looking out of a window gives someone a different viewpoint. Is a different viewpoint wrong? Yes! Apostates view things from a contrary position to that of our beloved governing body. So therefore, we would want to avoid looking out of the window, just as they avoid putting windows in their f%"*^ing ivory towers!"
edit correction:.
the court web site lisiting reflects the following below, but we have been informed that the watchtower society has been given yet another extension until march 26, 2013.. the below post will be left as is, for those who may have wondered what happened.. .
congratulations candace conti.
They could be stalling untill the 15 cents missionary tax comes rolling in..
i am a long time lurker who has finally decided to post.
i am still in along with my wife, kids and extended family.
i am in my 40s and was raised in the org.
Welcome to the life of the real! The only good is knowledge, the only evil is ignorance.
i've read a few people mention making up the figures for the field service reports, and i want to find out how common it is.
i never lied on my report.
sometimes i'd round up 15 minutes if i'd mentioned jw stuff to my brother that month, but that wasn't falsifying.
I was told as a servant, my hours needed to be double figures to qualify for elder. So i was instructed to put an hour each week for each child for our family study. That would mean 12 extra hours each month i could have claimed on top of the 7 or 8 i was doing. We didnt have a family study though. Didnt see the point, so all those lovely bragging points went begging..
on my way in to work this morning (saturday), at 6:05 am on a commercial business street in chicago, i saw two sisters and a brother bundled up in winter clothes and doing "street work.
" it wasn't that cold, so i guess they started even earlier when they needed their scarf and gloves.
there was absolutely nobody else walking and all the businesses were closed.
2 elders i know park at one end of the town center, and walk to a pub that serves early breakfast at the other end. They have a full english each, then walk back to the car. They then go on service with the rest. Not once do they stop anyone and talk. Every saturday at 8am. For a fact I know they count the time spent in the pub because they made the mistake of telling my Dad about their little scam. Morons..
how do we reconcile those bullshits being told at the meetings about how jehovah's eyes are upon us and how his figurative wings serves as protection to those who are destitute with the condition of these sickly sudanese refugees at this camp.. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oihlh1xd2lu&feature=g-all-u.
"And if God has let"
Too true mp, jws like to use the one in Jeremiah? it doesnt belong to man to direct his step.
how do we reconcile those bullshits being told at the meetings about how jehovah's eyes are upon us and how his figurative wings serves as protection to those who are destitute with the condition of these sickly sudanese refugees at this camp.. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oihlh1xd2lu&feature=g-all-u.
Witness my Fury:
"In the absense of God even Satan could have stepped up to be the good guy and take gods place and come out smelling of roses, ...never happened, never will, as he doesnt exist either."
Never thought of it like that! Exellent point. Satan is supposed to be able to transform himself into an angel of light. He's had so many opportunities to look the hero. Show God up for an uncaring being. Why hasnt he? Why is no point scoring going on between them? It is an issue of universal sovereignty after all...
And if God has let man rule himself in order to prove they are useless at governing themselves, has Satan decided to do the very same thing? mmm
well it was a very long discussion.
the elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course.
in fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth".
Ask him if he knows what an OSCE is and why the jws send reps to meetups. From JWfacts:
"With 56 States from Europe, Central Asia and North America, the OSCE is the world's largest regional security organization. It offers a forum for political negotiations and decision-making in the fields of early warning, conflict prevention, crisis management and post-conflict rehabilitation, and puts the political will of its participating States into practice through its unique network of field missions.
"The OSCE has a comprehensive approach to security that encompasses politico-military, economic and environmental, and human aspects." (osce.org/who 6th Oct 2012)
The OSCE is closely aligned with the United Nations.
The OSCE recognizes that the United Nations Security Council bears primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security. Thus, the United Nations is the OSCE's primary partner organization. (osce.org/ec/43240)
Me thinks they dilly dally with the politics too much!
