i like learning about obscure charecters in watchtower history.
anybody have more info about this g. m. ukoli?
in nigeria, there was, among others, g. m. ukoli, who at first showed zeal for the truth but then began to see it as a means of material gain and personal prominence.
I like learning about obscure charecters in Watchtower history. Anybody have more info about this G. M. Ukoli?
In Nigeria, there was, among others, G. M. Ukoli, who at first showed zeal for the truth but then began to see it as a means of material gain and personal prominence. Afterward, when thwarted in his aims, he turned to roasting faithful brothers in the public press. And there were others.
https://vimeo.com/331344272 .
for those interested to see how the free bible students conduct the memorial service for the lords evening meal.
also before there is an actual meal with lamb served and home cooked food where everybody gets to enjoy the meal and fellowship together.
I haven't seen video of one a black mass but I'm sure we've all heard that it's part of that ritual to reject the emblems as well, which is creepy, and makes you wonder if Anton LaVey took the idea from the witnesses!! lol
I really enjoy reading about the early Watchtower history now as well ironically that's how I found the Berean Bible Students in Lombard, and have enjoyed their association and the fact they won't invade your life.
A really good history book that covers the first 3 presidents of the org is Tony Wills - A People For His Name and of course Jim Penton's - Apocalypse Delayed. Lots of interesting characters in those early days, P.S.L. Johnson and his antics in England which unfortunately was the catalyst for Rutherford takeover, W.F. Salter in Canada trying to take the branch's assets and sending letters to congregations worldwide in the name of the Org, and E. C. Henninges and the New Covenant schism and him actually walking away the the Orgs Australian assets and most of the Australian "ecclesia" leaving.
anyone curious about our i.b.s.a.
cousins?.
https://vimeo.com/116005132.
Very interesting. They mentioned the "Cicero class", that's essentially a group of the "free bible students." I posted a video from their memorial just a few days ago. The term bible students scares people off often, I know it did for me, but I have found the "free bible students" super doctrinally non dogmatic and enjoyable. Ive never even heard anybody mention Russells name lol! It blows my mind that some of the other I.B.S.A. groups and the Dawn and that STILL hang onto dates and teachings about pyramids, and 1874, and invisible presence stuff.
also to slimboyfat
I know there is a group in London that meets because I have a friend that travels to visit them regularly. Ill see if I can find anymore info.
https://vimeo.com/331344272 .
for those interested to see how the free bible students conduct the memorial service for the lords evening meal.
also before there is an actual meal with lamb served and home cooked food where everybody gets to enjoy the meal and fellowship together.
Also for any curious there were prob about 80 or so ppl there. The camera angle makes the place look kinda empty. . .
anyway i got kind of cornered this morning about why i wouldn’t be attending the memorial.
i said i’m sorry i just can’t go because i believe that jesus is my mediator.
i guess you can imagine the conversation that ensued.
Strong work! The entire memorial makes no sense even if witnesses arent in the New Covenant, then there is no other means of forviveness for them. Not to mention, when you think about it, its just plain creepy everybody has to go to a building and touch a plate of crackers and glass of wine that they refuse to partake of, and then say that that ceremony in anyway is how the apostles had the meal with Jesus.
so my husband asked me if i’m going to the memorial.
i said “no”.. he asked would it be okay if i take the kids.
“i would prefer that you didn’t”.. why can’t he see the lies!
Teach the kids critical thinking and let then have open information to judge things by, the rest works itself out imho.
https://vimeo.com/331344272 .
for those interested to see how the free bible students conduct the memorial service for the lords evening meal.
also before there is an actual meal with lamb served and home cooked food where everybody gets to enjoy the meal and fellowship together.
For those interested to see how the Free Bible Students conduct the memorial service for the Lords Evening Meal. Also before there is an actual meal with Lamb served and home cooked food where everybody gets to enjoy the meal and fellowship together. Then in the talk it is made clear, there is one mediator for Christians and partaking is the outward demonstration of faith in Jesus sacrifice. In this way we can be anointed with spirit and then Christ the Lambs blood can be offered in place of our sins.
so recently i attended a jw funeral.
i've been awake and faded for a bit now and so i already have realized the strangeness that is a jw funeral/memorial talk because its basically just a sales pitch to those attending that are non jws using a twist on the christian resurrection hope and barely speaks about the departed.
here's the thing that i noticed the that got me wondering, the pitch, at least at this talk, is given under the guise that it is what the fallen person wanted to be spoken at the funeral and as such its all about the "secondary" "great crowds" class hope.. so my question is had anybody ever attended the funeral talk for someone who claimed to be in the 144,000???.
Interesting! Thank you!
so recently i attended a jw funeral.
i've been awake and faded for a bit now and so i already have realized the strangeness that is a jw funeral/memorial talk because its basically just a sales pitch to those attending that are non jws using a twist on the christian resurrection hope and barely speaks about the departed.
here's the thing that i noticed the that got me wondering, the pitch, at least at this talk, is given under the guise that it is what the fallen person wanted to be spoken at the funeral and as such its all about the "secondary" "great crowds" class hope.. so my question is had anybody ever attended the funeral talk for someone who claimed to be in the 144,000???.
nobody eh???
so recently i attended a jw funeral.
i've been awake and faded for a bit now and so i already have realized the strangeness that is a jw funeral/memorial talk because its basically just a sales pitch to those attending that are non jws using a twist on the christian resurrection hope and barely speaks about the departed.
here's the thing that i noticed the that got me wondering, the pitch, at least at this talk, is given under the guise that it is what the fallen person wanted to be spoken at the funeral and as such its all about the "secondary" "great crowds" class hope.. so my question is had anybody ever attended the funeral talk for someone who claimed to be in the 144,000???.
They did actually say she would want the funeral talk to tell people about the resurrection hope, and who knows maybe she actually did, who am I to say?
But still I am curious as to if maybe any old timers on here or people who have had bethel experience have attended a funeral talk for someone claiming to be part of the 144,000?? The talk would have to be different I imagine.
