"thou shalt spy on and report your brothers and sisters to hq.".
https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/local/industrial-court-finds-there-are-limits-to-freedom-of-religion/article_5a485b94-a327-11e7-9c32-57b15184bc6a.html.
editor's note: due to the nature of this story we've changed the names of the parties involved.
If you want to be serious about the cleanliness of the cong. then you have to burn every org bldg to the ground and free the captives.
I am not advocating destruction or violence here but if the WT god wants to clean things up, that would be a great start.
Jesus essentially called Paul a liar @ John 5:31 "If I alone bear witness about myself, my witness is not true" since there is no witness given for Paul's claims except Paul himself. There is a reference to some Paul (suppose it could be the same one? Maybe? or not..? No one bears witness to that fact)
And given that Paul teaches some contrary things to Jesus words, I would have to say that Paul is grade-A apostate. Not like folks here, like actually trying to get followers after himself, away from Jesus. Unless the whole Book is made up as a way to control the masses - in which case none of the above matters.
As a side note, how many books in the Bible? Compare to the WT explanation of 666 - I guess the Bible is only corrupt/wicked to an incomplete degree? or maybe there's 11 more books to come, in which case - "Yay"
why i am now a faded apostate after the ridiculous overlapping teaching!.
i was raised in the trooooooooooth and both my parents were pioneers.
over the years i pioneered, was an ms and finally an elder.
Step 1: Ask If the due time is near (or appointed time, or if the time is at hand etc)
Step 2: Ask "is that an official belief/teaching of JWs?"
Step 3: Read Luke 21:8* to them (use the interlinear or other translations too, if they are open to it)
*He said: “Look out that you are not misled, for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time is near.’ Do not go after them.
some things i just didnt notice at the time which now seem so obvious:.
the bible tells us that the end will come like a thief in the night, when we least expect it.
(matthew 24:44).
How bout the questionable number of angels at Jesus' tomb when the women went there..? Was it 1 or 2? was it inside or outside, on the left or right (head/foot) where he was laid down? was it on the rolling stone or not? Or.. did they (women) run off and tell everyone..? Or No one?
I was trying to hold out hope... but I'm a truth seeking missile.
And what about this Paul guy? Is he an apostate or what? Telling you to obey those taking the lead, when Jesus said that he (Jesus) is your only leader.. then there are the other multitude of direct contraventions of Jesus words too (by Paul, I mean) Who da heck let Paul in with the rest? But seeing my first point above - it really doesn't matter.
I like how a recent WT study (maybe 2 weeks ago?) mentioned that we don't know who wrote one of the Bible books (dont remember which but it was in the 'Hebrew Scriptures') and yet somehow we can say that it's inspired...?
I Swear they they are rolling on the floor laughing at the clueless mass of followers they have for themselves.
my conscience is so split now!.
if i sit, i am taking part in a political movement and getting involved in satan's system of things!.
if i stand, i am showing that i agree with satan's system and i am worshiping idols.. in all seriousness, witnesses loved this one because it made them "stand out".
I think the last official stand on this (no pun intended) was that you may stand but not sing. Could be wrong tho
here is an article in the current study copy of the wt.
tell me your thoughts and i will tell you mine.!
this is a topic that i am very sensitive about, as i could never see not protecting my family, even if that meant using whatever means at hand to do so!
guy a and guy b were in bondage for a long time.
during this period, they have endured a lot of suffering and hardship.. somehow, they managed to escape from their captors.. guy a was very happy that he regained his freedom.
he put everything behind him, work hard and succeeded in building up a career.. 10 years later, he met guy b. he asked guy b what he has been doing for the past 10 years.. guy b replied :" i can't forget how we suffered while in bondage.
I can certainly appreciate some of the rewrites above but I think there's a good point made in the original post. I can't remember where I saw it but there was this term I came across "ex ex-jw" which essentially was like our Guy A above. That is to say that many ex JW are still stuck in the pain of the past like our Guy B, but if you can move past that, you can make it to ex ex-jw where it's all in the rear view mirror and you have moved on. Its not always as simple as that unfortunately and we have to be careful not to judge or alienate others based on where they are in their own personal journey. Some are pimo, some are still coming to terms, some have more healing to do than others and some may feel resentful for the bad decisions they have made in their lives because of undue influence and deception, perhaps even having wasted decades of the only life that they know for sure that they have now that their faith has been shaken.
I like to think of myself as Guy A, but then I'm pimo, at least for now, and I do occasionally find my blood boiling at the extreme hypocrisy and the utter wickedness of the GB. I wait (im)patiently until I can be 100% out and put this nonsense behind me but I know there will still be life long consequences. My heart goes out to every victim of this and other religious parasitic fraudulent organizations.
what is the youngest you have seen someone baptised?
i recall seeing a 9 yo girl baptised..
If they were an honest bunch, being that baptism is THE most important decision (they say) you will ever make, they would not be promoting baptism until after the bloom of youth. If you are not mature enough to marry then obviously you are not mature enough to enter into a more serious decision. Besides that, most kids and newer "ones" associating w/ the JWs are not fully and correctly informed about the bORG, it's past and what REALLY happens if you change your mind after taking the plunge. How can a 12 year old wrap their mind around permanent loss of mom and dad and siblings... growing up alone and unloved... Their kids having no grandparents (on their side) no aunts, no uncles.. no family.. Now I didn't grow up in it but I certainly didn't understand all of this and I was somewhere past 25 years old (dont want to give too much detail) how can a minor be expected to know what they are doing?
They can't. And the bORG knows it - it's child abuse plain and simple.
well.....they showed that shunning video again.
you know...the one where goldilocks gets disfellowshipped- and the parents look across the hall at her with disdain.....yeah that video.. i was interested to see what kind of answers would be given during the discussion after the video and some of the reactions.
everyone sat there gormlessly staring at the video.
And it's meeting parts like this that make me sick (and did the first round when this vid was part of the RC)
for the Q: How did their loyalty to Jehovah benefit Sonja?
I was thinking something like:
"So after many years of having no natural affection for their daughter and granddaughter (2tim3:3 : ) Sonja finally saw the darkness she was living in and decided it was time..."
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Oh yah & dont forget the spiritual gems part that asks "Why will God’s Kingdom have to crush the earthly rulerships depicted in the image?" even though the only thing left these days is the feet/toes - oops!
on another thread, shadow asked pimojw, a newbie still serving in a congregation, "how about the overlapping generation?
do you know anyone who actually believes that?
"answer was "no i dont!
I can't speak from the POV of anyone but myself. However, I can tell you what my thoughts are on what I see around me (being pimo, I get semi-regular exposure)
In my opinion, most of the JW's cant possibly be actually full-in mentally, believing the things they are told. If they were, the elders would indeed be refreshing and kind, love would abound (and not just "among yourselves" but with "your neighbor" as well) I know there are some who are really sweet and deluded and really try to act like a good Christian and think it's "The Truth" but that's pretty rare. So while I cant take an honest tally at the hall, I would have to say no - most people at the hall are a-holes that A) are just in it for themselves (and family/prominence) and B) dont want to lose their family/friends. As for elders, I know some have a different view of them (and I know that they aren't ALL of them like this) but they are bunch of venomous vipers, much like the pharisees of the Bible. And the GB and helpers have told so many obvious OBVIOUS! lies - even on JW broadcasting.. its appalling.
Take all of that above and blend with a fair amount of double-thought and hypocrisy and brainwashing - for a clearer picture of what's going on.
If there is a loving and just and perfect and powerful creator, now is waaay past due to put mankind out of the misery that is JW .org (and some of the other religions too) (can we remove the auto-URLizing feature PLZ? I had to edit this so as not to help their SEO/backlinks)
Sorry for the bit-o-rant but it may (or may not) be meeting night and cortisol is bad for you at this dose.
